View Poll Results: Obama Tax Supporters=What is more Important to You

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    1 6.25%
  • Sticking it to the rich with a tax hike for everyone

    15 93.75%
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One would have thought that a fancy Ivy league institution would have had access to books where they explained that a budget had two sides. An imbalance in that budget could then be attributed to both sides.

    Perhaps Yale is not quite cracked up to what it claims to be?
    wow talk about a delusional post and no one has come close to establishing merely taxing the rich more will even amount to pissing in the ocean when it comes to the deficit

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow talk about a delusional post and no one has come close to establishing merely taxing the rich more will even amount to pissing in the ocean when it comes to the deficit

    Delusional is your post refusing to accept that we need to raise taxes across the board - five point for everyone. You refuse to do that. You prefer to tax your own kids and grandchildren for your spending and your tax cuts.

    That speaks volumes about your own self imposed willful delusions.

    And no mention of any kind as to how you would propose to pay off this deficit that the right wing cries crocodile tears over. I guess you simply don't give a damn about anything but your own taxes and your own firearms.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Naturally, as they are the most wasteful. Next I would re-institute the Glass-Steagall Act to prevent future bailouts of banks too big to fail,
    1) That's not an expenditure cut. We were talking about decreasing government.
    2) The GLB act does not force the government to bail out failed banks.

    then I would upgrade our health care system to UHC thereby cutting future health care costs in half,
    1) This isn't an expenditure cut. We were talking about decreasing government.
    2) You've never shown that UHCcauses health care costs to halve.

    then I would increase the FICA Cap from $106,000 to $180,000 fixing social security for the long term.
    This isn't an expenditure cut. We were talking about decreasing government.

    Then I would look at increasing minimum wage to a living wage as an alternative to welfare for all those except the disabled.
    This is an increase in expenditure. We were talking about a decrease.



    Go back to post #185. We were talking about shrinking the federal government, and you said "well let's start with the military," and I essentially said, "okay, what else?" In other words, what else would you be willing to do to shrink the federal government?

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Delusional is your post refusing to accept that we need to raise taxes across the board - five point for everyone. You refuse to do that. You prefer to tax your own kids and grandchildren for your spending and your tax cuts.

    That speaks volumes about your own self imposed willful delusions.

    And no mention of any kind as to how you would propose to pay off this deficit that the right wing cries crocodile tears over. I guess you simply don't give a damn about anything but your own taxes and your own firearms.
    when the middle class pays the same share of the federal income tax as its share of the income you can then yap about making the rich-who make 22% of the income but pay almost 40% of the income tax pay more.

    and all you care about is your party winning elections by buying the votes with the money of others

    your party has created millions of intergenerational suckers of the public tit weakening america with expanded sloth and you don't care as long as the dems win

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when the middle class pays the same share of the federal income tax as its share of the income you can then yap about making the rich-who make 22% of the income but pay almost 40% of the income tax pay more.

    and all you care about is your party winning elections by buying the votes with the money of others

    your party has created millions of intergenerational suckers of the public tit weakening america with expanded sloth and you don't care as long as the dems win
    I am on record - repeatedly and often - as saying we need a five point across the board income tax increase on all American earning dollar one.

    Tell me how that fits in with the democratic party that you claim is my master.

    So what is the Turtle Plan for retiring the deficit? Or is such stuff simply below your consideration since it does not involve protecting your wealth or your firearms?
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am on record - repeatedly and often - as saying we need a five point across the board income tax increase on all American earning dollar one.

    Tell me how that fits in with the democratic party that you claim is my master.

    So what is the Turtle Plan for retiring the deficit? Or is such stuff simply below your consideration since it does not involve protecting your wealth or your firearms?
    I am on record that there is way too much government and only when the government can prove massive cuts in wasteful spending should ANYONE pay more taxes

    and if there are more taxes to pay, it should start with those who pay far less of the income tax burden than their share of the income

    because if people get tired of too much taxes they will demand less spending

    right now the dems know this so they want to keep spending on the middle class to buy their votes without raising taxes on the middle class so they look to a voting minority to fund their pandering

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you mean like reducing the deficit?

    that's a waste of money to you?
    Do you really expect the government to apply any revenue increases to reducing the deficit?

    I don't.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am on record that there is way too much government and only when the government can prove massive cuts in wasteful spending should ANYONE pay more taxes
    There is NOTHING from you on record as to how to pay the national deficit.

    If you favor spending cuts, tell us in actual dollars how much you need to cut to pay that deficit. You never do.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Do you really expect the government to apply any revenue increases to reducing the deficit?

    I don't.
    the dem party has to keep spending to buy the votes of the dependent masses the party panders to

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is NOTHING from you on record as to how to pay the national deficit.

    If you favor spending cuts, tell us in actual dollars how much you need to cut to pay that deficit. You never do.

    Limit the government to its constitutional functions

    of course that means all the unconstitutional crap FDR rammed through will take a serious shearing

    Department of education-get rid of it to start with

    sell off lots of federal lands

    stop paying for people to have illegitimate kids

    cut back by at least 30% our military presence in places like Germany

    end the war on drugs-that will eliminate 75% of the federal law enforcement costs

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