View Poll Results: Obama Tax Supporters=What is more Important to You

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  • Saving the tax cuts for yourself (and the rich)

    1 6.25%
  • Sticking it to the rich with a tax hike for everyone

    15 93.75%
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you won't give up your tax cuts to save the defense budget but you will give them up if everyones taxes go up. Interesting. You do see that no matter what your taxes are going up and they will go up MORE if all the cuts are eliminated. That has got to be a first for you...wanting to pay more taxes. Kudos for that.
    The Govt. has been spending 20% of GDP for the last 20 years and revenues are at 15% of GDP now. Does that make it more clear why the Bush tax cuts are temporary?

    I will try to explain it to you so you can understand

    what drives the deficit? it is too much spending

    why do politicians spend too much

    because the voters reward them with votes


    How do we change that behavior?


    taxing the rich more will not

    indeed-taxing the rich more will allow big spending politicians to tell their constituents that the politicians NOW have the ability to spend even more to buy the votes of their faithful since the government NOW has more money to spend on the voters


    saying the rich should pay EVEN MORE while everyone else retains their tax cuts is a message to the masses that they don't have a duty to help with the deficit-after all that will be handled by taxing the rich more

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    what drives the deficit?
    Spending too much and taxing the rich too little, which has been GOP policy for the last 30 years. The only significant reduction in the deficit in the last 30 years was in the 90's when we both cut spending, mainly on the military, and increased tax rates for the wealthy.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Spending too much and taxing the rich too little, which has been GOP policy for the last 30 years. The only significant reduction in the deficit in the last 30 years was in the 90's when we both cut spending, mainly on the military, and increased tax rates for the wealthy.


    you were half right

    the tax rates for the middle class "cost" more than the cuts for the "rich"

    and the middle class drives the spending

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Democrats in their tax proposal that just passed in the Senate included $2.50 in spending cuts for every $1 of revenue increase.

    (snipped the rest because I don't deal in hysterical horror scenarios)
    The Republicans are smart not to accept that kind of deal from the Democrats given their past history of not following through with promised spending cuts. Now...if the Democrats were to make the cuts FIRST, then we could talk about raising taxes.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    the tax rates for the middle class "cost" more than the cuts for the "rich"
    Not surprising since they have bigger benefits for the economy and more of our citizens.

    and the middle class drives the spending
    That's just a far right talking point which no one but the far right swallows. Look at how we cut our deficit in the 90's without defunding entitlements that support the middle class.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not surprising since they have bigger benefits for the economy and more of our citizens.



    That's just a far right talking point which no one but the far right swallows. Look at how we cut our deficit in the 90's without defunding entitlements that support the middle class.
    the rich benefit the economy more

    the bottom 60% are net tax consumers.

    the rich pay for the government that people like you use

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The Republicans are smart not to accept that kind of deal from the Democrats given their past history of not following through with promised spending cuts. Now...if the Democrats were to make the cuts FIRST, then we could talk about raising taxes.
    Fine, if the GOP refuse $2.50 in spending cuts for every $1 increase in revenues, we go to sequestration then and we actually get the spending cuts in military spending that we so desperately need. Works for me!
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Fine, if the GOP refuse $2.50 in spending cuts for every $1 increase in revenues, we go to sequestration then and we actually get the spending cuts in military spending that we so desperately need. Works for me!
    the GOP knows that the dems buy votes by telling the masses that they can have everything they want if they vote the dems in and the dems will make OTHERS pay for it

    that only causes more deficits

    if your tax cuts are so good for you, you are a hypocritical greedy liar if you claim those same tax cuts (er rates) are bad for someone making 230K a year

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Fine, if the GOP refuse $2.50 in spending cuts for every $1 increase in revenues, we go to sequestration then and we actually get the spending cuts in military spending that we so desperately need. Works for me!
    That works for me, as well...because military spending won't be the only thing that gets cut. Entitlement spending gets hit as well. But if the Democrat plan is accepted, we end up with more taxes and NO spending cuts. Is that what you prefer?
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    That works for me, as well...because military spending won't be the only thing that gets cut. Entitlement spending gets hit as well. But if the Democrat plan is accepted, we end up with more taxes and NO spending cuts. Is that what you prefer?
    catawba's main goal is to see more income redistribution.

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