View Poll Results: Obama Tax Supporters=What is more Important to You

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    1 6.25%
  • Sticking it to the rich with a tax hike for everyone

    15 93.75%
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actuallly either the tax rates go back to normal for the top brackets or the sequestration defense cuts will be implemented in full. Your choice.
    No, those are not the only choices.

    I prefer tax rates staying as they are right now...preferably making them permanent. And, since Congress can't bring themselves to cut anything, I also prefer ALL of the sequestration cuts being implemented in full...not just the defense cuts.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Typical of the left, it is ALL small stuff, so fund it forever, as it is so small. Even the GAO sends congress CONSTANT reports on waste, yet congress does not act. For EVERY federal program there is a lobbyist or contributor that "needs" that spending. You see adding $85 billion in tax money as progress, many see it as simply waste since NO change in policy accompanies it. The federal beast as an unending appetite, so it must be fed. Yes he can!
    Do you have an estimate of how much that would save when you defund the cowboy poetry festivals that you mentioned?
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Then let me tell you something I believe in completely: a strong middle class relies on neither the rich nor the government.
    Perhaps in fairytale libertarian land. US history however shows the middle class was created by government programs that broke the domination by the robber barons.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Try this simple experiment: go to a wealthy neighborhood and seek work, now go to a poor neighborhood and seek work. In which neighborhood did you find more work? I tend to get 95% of my work from those in the wealthier neghborhoods, you may have had a different experience; please feel free to share that with us.
    What jobs have the wealthy created lately? Why has their wealth increased steadily but jobs have not? Trickle down economy obviously does not work. I'm not syaing I know what does work just that the wealthy are not contributing to job growth.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actuallly either the tax rates go back to normal for the top brackets or the sequestration defense cuts will be implemented in full. Your choice.
    It appears the sequestration deal the GOP forced is going to come back to bite them.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. Can you back this "fact" up?
    Just look at the lack of job creation from the last decade of tax cuts for the wealthy. That's enough proof for the millions whose jobs have been off-shored.
    Last edited by Catawba; 07-26-12 at 03:58 PM.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It appears the sequestration deal the GOP forced is going to come back to bite them.
    You seem to forget that the Democrats bought into sequestration, so they are just as responsible for it's implementation as the Republicans.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    You seem to forget that the Democrats bought into sequestration, so they are just as responsible for it's implementation as the Republicans.
    Sequestration was only devised because the GOP tried to prevent the government from honoring its past financial commitments. I love the irony of GOP now becoming frantic over an actual cut in spending.
    Last edited by Catawba; 07-26-12 at 05:02 PM.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Just look at the lack of job creation from the last decade of tax cuts for the wealthy. That's enough proof for the millions whose jobs have been off-shored.
    But I am constantly assured by Obama (in speaches and ads), that using these very SAME tax rates that we have had many consecutive months of steady job growth, and that he is now seeing jobs being "on-shored" as well. How can BOTH you and Obama be correct, if the federal tax rates are the same, yet the job observations are different?
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sequestration was only devised because the GOP tried to prevent the government from honoring its past financial commitments. I love the irony of GOP now becoming frantic over an actual cut in spending.
    Well, I appreciate your spin, but the reality is that the GOP was trying to hold the Democrats to cutting spending in return for allowing increased borrowing.

    Now, the Democrats not only want to not cut spending, but they want to increase borrowing AND increase taxes. They are even willing to allow tax rates to increase on the middle class if they don't get their way.

    You see, spin works both ways.
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