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  • Tax rates on job creators are too high.

    2 3.13%
  • Technology has eliminated many jobs

    1 1.56%
  • Our workforce is not qualified enough to demand high paying jobs in science and technology

    0 0%
  • Competition with cheap overseas labor

    22 34.38%
  • Healthcare reform

    0 0%
  • Too much regulation on business

    10 15.63%
  • Too little regulation on business

    19 29.69%
  • Barack Obama

    10 15.63%
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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Expand it into something that was not my meaning. Grow the **** up kid!
    Actually it's you kiddies who keep clinging onto old partisanship.
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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You forgot to factor in health care costs, the leading cause of bankruptcy among middle and lower income people:



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    I don't think so, seems to me that the study that everyone refers to when saying medical expenses are a major part of bankruptcy was flawed. It was torn apart by people with access to the raw data.
    Unless you have a more current study? It can be a contributing factor, easily, but leading cause?
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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Actually it's you kiddies who keep clinging onto old partisanship.
    Given the immaturity of your posting, I guarantee I am older than you.
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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I don't think so, seems to me that the study that everyone refers to when saying medical expenses are a major part of bankruptcy was flawed. It was torn apart by people with access to the raw data.
    Unless you have a more current study? It can be a contributing factor, easily, but leading cause?
    "At least 62 percent of all U.S. family bankruptcies result from medical expenses, reports a study released yesterday in The American Journal of Medicinean increase from the 46 percent the reseachers found in 2001."

    News Blog: Are medical costs the leading cause of U.S. bankruptcies?
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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "At least 62 percent of all U.S. family bankruptcies result from medical expenses, reports a study released yesterday in The American Journal of Medicinean increase from the 46 percent the reseachers found in 2001."

    News Blog: Are medical costs the leading cause of U.S. bankruptcies?
    dig a little deeper...
    google "flawed study medical expenses bankruptcy" or "Aparna Mathur medical bankruptcy"

    We have 2 kids, grown and married....they both married into families that have more than a few bankruptcies over the years, before the current real estate bubble and job loss situation....
    Only one of the 5 bankruptcies had medical bills as PART of the cause, and that one PLANNED his bankruptcy around needed knee surgery. He kept everything current til he got the surgery, then filed.
    Just because someone has medical bills piling up next to credit card bills doesn't mean that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcies. Last time we cussed and discussed this here on DP, I had a link that actually showed the average dollar amount for medical bills. IIRC, it wasn't that much. It may have been the one I have a link for, at the bottom of this post.
    LSS, without digging deeper, my readings and my experience says that the findings of a group that is pro national health care should be taken with a grain of salt. The leading cause of bankruptcies is not medial bills, it is living beyond your means, sometimes with money that should have been spent on health care insurance.
    http://www.hudson.org/files/publicat...ies 102009.pdf
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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    dig a little deeper...
    google "flawed study medical expenses bankruptcy" or "Aparna Mathur medical bankruptcy"

    We have 2 kids, grown and married....they both married into families that have more than a few bankruptcies over the years, before the current real estate bubble and job loss situation....
    Only one of the 5 bankruptcies had medical bills as PART of the cause, and that one PLANNED his bankruptcy around needed knee surgery. He kept everything current til he got the surgery, then filed.
    Just because someone has medical bills piling up next to credit card bills doesn't mean that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcies. Last time we cussed and discussed this here on DP, I had a link that actually showed the average dollar amount for medical bills. IIRC, it wasn't that much. It may have been the one I have a link for, at the bottom of this post.
    LSS, without digging deeper, my readings and my experience says that the findings of a group that is pro national health care should be taken with a grain of salt. The leading cause of bankruptcies is not medial bills, it is living beyond your means, sometimes with money that should have been spent on health care insurance.
    http://www.hudson.org/files/publicat...ies 102009.pdf

    Hey Bill, Hope you and the family are doing well!

    I looked at the congressional testimony, and I have to tell you I was about to be impressed...........until I did as you said and dug a little deeper. There was only one person that testified in that paper by the Hudson Institute. I wondered about the Hudson Institute as well because I had never heard of them, while I was very familiar with The American Journal of Medicine. Turns out that the Hudson Institute is an ultra conservative think tank and the lady speaking has a long association with ultra conservative groups, and the conservative Bush Administration.

    The study by the AJM also passes the smell test better as I know in my own case that our health insurance, being self-employed, is almost unaffordable, so I can see where many that are not as well off as we are, would not be able to afford health insurance. Then, if they have some major medical problem they are screwed financially.

    So, thanks, but I will have to go with the study by the American Journal of Medicine over the this lady at the Hudson Institute.


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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You forgot to factor in health care costs, the leading cause of bankruptcy among middle and lower income people:




    Repeal of Obamacare: House Republicans' empty gesture | Thomas Rogan | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
    That has nothing to do with declining employment in the manufacturing industry, coupled with increasing productivity.
    People who say manufacturing went to China are wrong.
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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That has nothing to do with declining employment in the manufacturing industry, coupled with increasing productivity.
    People who say manufacturing went to China are wrong.
    I was responding to your statement about inflated costs for people. We have had a huge cost increase in health care costs for people since 1975, the beginning date on your graph above.
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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Adjustments for inflation show the same trend.
    Sorry, automation is replacing the need for human employees.

    US Manufacturing: Output Growth, Employment Decline | Department of Numbers
    Sorry, you were showing gains in manufacturing, not just automation replacing workers. Since the gains in manufacturing were the only numbers shown in dollars I assumed - obviously incorrectly - that you would figure out my comment was about the amount of manufacturing, not the workers.

    Your own chart (above) and your original chart (below) when adjusted for inflation shows manufacturing in America has been on the decline for decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post

    There are many sites that will adjust for inflation, I'll let you pick your own. The differences are big enough it shouldn't matter which one you use as long as it's USD.
    Here are the results from mine:

    1975 $100.00 (bottom chart $1500)
    1992 $261.12 (top chart $4.2)
    2008 $395.90 (top chart $5.6 but would need to be $6.36 to break even compared to 1992, more for growth)
    2009 $394.32 (bottom chart $3500 but would need to be $5915 to break even compared to 1975)
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    Re: What is the top reason for the current US economic problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I was responding to your statement about inflated costs for people. We have had a huge cost increase in health care costs for people since 1975, the beginning date on your graph above.
    Yeah, about the time the government decided that hospitals couldn't "deny" care if someone were uninsured. Coincidence? I doubt it. It's also around the time all the equal care for everyone BS started, as if that could actually be achieved except at the lowest possible standard.

    And before you start the whole UHC diatribe, why don't you go look up the number of hospitals per capita, doctors per capita, newer technologies and their availability under UHC, waiting times to receive emergncy and non-emergency care and waiting times for different surgeries and if they are even available in UHC countries and the availability of newer more effective drugs under a UHC system. Oh, and check out the number of deaths following surgery from infection and compare those to the US vs UHC countries. I would provide you some of the data myself, except you would just complain about sources and say I was lying or using false data, so show us what you can find.

    And since you wanted to bring up medical tourism in the past, go ahead and look up how many Americans leave for health care and what for, then compare that to the numbers that come to America to get care and what for.
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