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Thread: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

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    Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    So, I remember it coming up often early on in the debate with the Patriot Act. I'd love to see people come down on whether or not they used this argument.

    Did you/do you use the argument/thought process against the provisions of the Patriot Act that, paraphrasing, "He who gives up Liberty in exchange for Security, deserves neither"?

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So, I remember it coming up often early on in the debate with the Patriot Act. I'd love to see people come down on whether or not they used this argument.

    Did you/do you use the argument/thought process against the provisions of the Patriot Act that, paraphrasing, "He who gives up Liberty in exchange for Security, deserves neither"?
    Like everything it is a tradeoff, and absolutes like the argument you are questioning, tend to be overstated.
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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    I never understood why people oppose it.

    The PATRIOT Act just lets government agencies exchange information among themselves. For example, the FBI can inquire about what books you borrowed from a library.

    Wow... so amazing.

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    I never understood why people oppose it.

    The PATRIOT Act just lets government agencies exchange information among themselves. For example, the FBI can inquire about what books you borrowed from a library.

    Wow... so amazing.
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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Prove it?

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    I haven't ever used that quote as an argument for/against anything because I'm not sure I fully agree with it.

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    we live in a society.

    that means we find a balance between Freedoms & Security.

    I think the USA, as of right now, is at a good balance.

    sure, we could tweek our freedoms a little so we had more. But we also could tweek our security requirements so we'd be a little safer.

    Ben Franklin was WRONG, when he suggested that those who sacrifice some liberty for some security, deserve neither.

    this is what an intelligent modern society does.

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    I consider it entirely appropriate to sacrifice liberty for security, I simply demand a reasonable cost benefit ratio. Most of the controversial parts of the patriot act did nothing to actually make us safer and came a considerable sacrifice in civil rights. Its especially obnoxious given that considerably more people have been violently murdered in the U.S. as a direct result of marijuana being illegal than terrorism in the last decade, but apparently our safety doesn't matter in that circumstance.

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So, I remember it coming up often early on in the debate with the Patriot Act. I'd love to see people come down on whether or not they used this argument.

    Did you/do you use the argument/thought process against the provisions of the Patriot Act that, paraphrasing, "He who gives up Liberty in exchange for Security, deserves neither"?
    I haven't used the argument, but now that you bring it up . . . In my view, The Patriot Act is one fo the most dangerous things that has happened to this country. Americans don't need an act to tell us who we are or what we should be doin; in times of crises: we've always known what to do. I think that that toilet paper was written for political points to show how patriotic they were!! and only cowards signed it in my view. What I really think is that The Patriot Act was written because that is the force that is going to stand against us when the s**t really starts to hit the fan in this country, and it will be used to throw people in jail because of what they think. It needs to be dumped for the benefit of this country.
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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    we live in a society.

    that means we find a balance between Freedoms & Security.

    I think the USA, as of right now, is at a good balance.

    sure, we could tweek our freedoms a little so we had more. But we also could tweek our security requirements so we'd be a little safer.

    Ben Franklin was WRONG, when he suggested that those who sacrifice some liberty for some security, deserve neither.

    this is what an intelligent modern society does.
    Name a country that you see as free and I will tell you how they are not.

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