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Thread: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A good balance?...!...? Name one threat to us that deserves the degradation of our Liberty?

    The false flag of security only brings us closer to a police state which would bring us neither liberty or security. It would only bring us oppression.
    good old human stupidity and greed. hence the need for regulations on the private sector. its not worth the increase in liberty to have to go back to the days where people were dying for things like a 40 hour work week and basic job safety.

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A good balance?...!...? Name one threat to us that deserves the degradation of our Liberty?

    The false flag of security only brings us closer to a police state which would bring us neither liberty or security. It would only bring us oppression.
    What brings us closer to a police state (which I wouldn't totally disagree with) is the fact that the population at large no longer respects or even pays lip service to following the rules and/or maintaining order in society.

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The specifics may vary, but the core of almost all major cultures is the same.

    I have no problem being deemed an evil person (I already am by many); but I'd be called something else in that case...... DEAD.
    Why would you be dead?
    The High priestess would take good care of you.
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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why would you be dead?
    The High priestess would take good care of you.
    When one cannot live by the rules, it's best off to remove themselves from the equation entirely.

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    When one cannot live by the rules, it's best off to remove themselves from the equation entirely.
    or perhaps just live without unnecessary rules. That would be my choice, as opposed to suicide.

    Silly libertarian me.
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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So, I remember it coming up often early on in the debate with the Patriot Act. I'd love to see people come down on whether or not they used this argument.

    Did you/do you use the argument/thought process against the provisions of the Patriot Act that, paraphrasing, "He who gives up Liberty in exchange for Security, deserves neither"?
    I've heard those types of arguments, but never a convincing one. I still haven't figured out specifically what provision(s) in the Patriot Act sacrifice my liberty.

    I kinda think the provision(s) that allegedly sacrifice my liberty simply don't exist.
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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    or perhaps just live without unnecessary rules. That would be my choice, as opposed to suicide.
    Rules you see as unnecessary may not be as easily thrown away by others of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Silly libertarian me.
    That statement is redundant.

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why would you be dead?
    The High priestess would take good care of you.
    How good of care? And is she hot?
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    How good of care? And is she hot?
    Absolutely.

    and a dominatrix as well.
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    Re: Patriot Act: Liberty for Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Absolutely.

    and a dominatrix as well.
    Kinky.....
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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