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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    They should outsource yours and turtles job to china...now when they did that...and you have no income should I be able to deduct you both as dependents...lol gotta love all the word play...
    And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. This is his response to the people trying to save his medicare from the Obama cuts .

    btw marine are you RICH ?
    nope. I just like freedom

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    distribution payments are indeed someone else's money. money that i don't send to the government is, and remains, my money. If I steal $20 from you, $20 from Turtle, and then mail you each the others' sawbuck, I am still guilty of theft.
    the parasite mentality holds that existing near someone entitles one to his neighbor's wealth. THose who think all wealth belong to the government try to justify handouts to non-earners as balancing less theft from the earners

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    to believe that you can be free while the government owns you and your labor, and dispenses it back to you only as it see's fit is indeed... well, not irony. more orwellian. slavery is freedom.
    Only the Property Mentality allows for that option. I don't believe people are owned by anyone.


    Slavery is just another word for society allowing people authority over other people, something that happens in virtually every place of business every day of the week but also happens in other places - like when a cop pulls you over for speeding ...
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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the parasite mentality holds that existing near someone entitles one to his neighbor's wealth. THose who think all wealth belong to the government try to justify handouts to non-earners as balancing less theft from the earners
    This reminds me of my Bastiat

    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Only the Property Mentality allows for that option. I don't believe people are owned by anyone.
    In this country at least, generally, I agree, and I am dedicated to the task of keeping people like you from changing that.

    Slavery is just another word for society allowing people authority over other people, something that happens in virtually every place of business every day of the week but also happens in other places - like when a cop pulls you over for speeding ...
    No. The existence of law is not slavery, and that is an incredibly offensive and amazingly stupid analogy.

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Only the Property Mentality allows for that option. I don't believe people are owned by anyone.


    Slavery is just another word for society allowing people authority over other people, something that happens in virtually every place of business every day of the week but also happens in other places - like when a cop pulls you over for speeding ...
    cutting through the BS-do you believe a tax cut is the same thing as a handout?

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In this country at least, generally, I agree, and I am dedicated to the task of keeping people like you from changing that.
    People like me??? It's the Property Mentality types that are buying and selling people, not me and mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No. The existence of law is not slavery, and that is an incredibly offensive and amazingly stupid analogy.
    What is slavery if it's not absolute power over another?
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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    cutting through the BS-do you believe a tax cut is the same thing as a handout?
    I certainly don't think getting back $20 from Uncle Sam after giving him $100 is a handout! That particular statement by your lapdog was about the craziest thing I've seen a right-winger come up with yet!!



    Ed:
    I see you "liked" his post, however, so YOU must agree that it's a handout, in which case your "tax cut" is also a handout.
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 07-23-12 at 09:36 AM.
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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I certainly don't think getting back $20 from Uncle Sam after giving him $100 is a handout! That particular statement by your lapdog was about the craziest thing I've seen a right-winger come up with yet!!


    Ed:
    I see you "liked" his post, however, so YOU must agree that it's a handout, in which case your "tax cut" is also a handout.
    no it's not. that was and is my money that isn't being sent to the government. money from the government, however, is definitely a redistribution payment.

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    People like me???
    yes. people like you.

    It's the Property Mentality types that are buying and selling people, not me and mine.
    on the contrary. it is folks who advocate precisely your approach who draw no distinction between liberty and slavery who are the threat today. those who argue from a position that the state has first dibs on my labor, and leaves me with what it chooses not to take are reversing the critical argument about soveriegnty that our founders paid so much blood for. government derives its' powers from the governed - not the other way around.

    What is slavery if it's not absolute power over another?
    Ownership (theft) of another. the existence of law does not make me a slave. And I repeat what I said earlier about that being a stunningly stupid argument which ignores the reality of slavery. Only someone utterly unfamiliar with the specifics of that institution could make such an idiotic argument.
    Last edited by cpwill; 07-23-12 at 09:48 AM.

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