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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The Property Mentality rears it's ugly head once again. Sad that people hide the worst of human nature behind the ideal of money. I suppose they're too weak to face the reality.
    that, ladies and gentlemen, is as good a picture of irony as you are going to get.

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If a tax cut is given on the grounds that the cut will generate jobs, and no jobs are forthcoming, then the reason for the cut was a lie and the tax cut is "unearned" - as in "did not meet expectations"
    the tax cut itself may have not met expectations, but this is common across government planning. for example, the stimulus did not meet expectations - this does not somehow mean that the money wasn't really collected by the government to be spent.

    the money itself, however, was earned. it is earned before it is taxed, not distributed as the remnants of the employer paying the state.

    I'm sure an employer hiring a worker to make 100 widgets a day but only getting 10 widgets a day would say that worker's wages were not earned, too, and for the same reason - "did not meet expectations".
    yeah, except, the government didn't give us ourselves - we gave the government itself. this is a rather important distinction

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Thats true, if you look at is as an equation there's no difference. For example if you pay $100 in taxes there's no difference for you if the government decides to take 20 less or give you $20 for whatever reason, either way you're up 20 bucks.
    that is untrue. the twenty bucks that the government doesnt' take is my money that isn't being taken. the 20 bucks that the government gives me is someone else's money that the government took from them to give to me.

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is untrue. the twenty bucks that the government doesnt' take is my money that isn't being taken. the 20 bucks that the government gives me is someone else's money that the government took from them to give to me.

    They should outsource yours and turtles job to china...now when they did that...and you have no income should I be able to deduct you both as dependents...lol gotta love all the word play...btw marine are you RICH ? like turtle

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the tax cut itself may have not met expectations, but this is common across government planning. for example, the stimulus did not meet expectations - this does not somehow mean that the money wasn't really collected by the government to be spent.

    the money itself, however, was earned. it is earned before it is taxed, not distributed as the remnants of the employer paying the state.
    Did you actually go back and read the conversation this statement came from? Or are you just talking about the inaccurate portrayal given by TD?

    I'm talking about the tax cuts, which is clearly what Cardinal Fang was also discussing in the original conversation, so "the money itself" really isn't part of the discussion.
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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that, ladies and gentlemen, is as good a picture of irony as you are going to get.
    To believe that people are property in "The Land of the Free" is indeed irony ...
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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Thats true, if you look at is as an equation there's no difference. For example if you pay $100 in taxes there's no difference for you if the government decides to take 20 less or give you $20 for whatever reason, either way you're up 20 bucks.
    that is untrue. the twenty bucks that the government doesnt' take is my money that isn't being taken. the 20 bucks that the government gives me is someone else's money that the government took from them to give to me.
    Let's see here. If Uncle Sam doesn't take the $20 in the first place then it's MY money ...

    ... but if I give Uncle Sam $100 and he gives me back $20 then it's "someone else's money"?!?
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 07-23-12 at 09:05 AM.
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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Did you actually go back and read the conversation this statement came from? Or are you just talking about the inaccurate portrayal given by TD?

    I'm talking about the tax cuts, which is clearly what Cardinal Fang was also discussing in the original conversation, so "the money itself" really isn't part of the discussion.
    ...what was being taxed, then? hair?

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    To believe that people are property in "The Land of the Free" is indeed irony ...

    to believe that you can be free while the government owns you and your labor, and dispenses it back to you only as it see's fit is indeed... well, not irony. more orwellian. slavery is freedom.

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Let's see here. If Uncle Sam doesn't take the $20 in the first place then it was MY money ...

    ... but if I give Uncle Sam $100 and he gives me back $20 then it's "someone else's money"?!?
    distribution payments are indeed someone else's money. money that i don't send to the government is, and remains, my money. If I steal $20 from you, $20 from Turtle, and then mail you each the others' sawbuck, I am still guilty of theft.
    Last edited by cpwill; 07-23-12 at 09:06 AM.

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