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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Uh wrong as usual

    he claimed that a tax cut results in unearned income to the tax payer

    the taxpayer earned the money in the first place
    He responded to you saying the tax cut was earned(not the money, the cut), by saying it was not earned. I guess the question is are you intentionally lying to try and score points, or is the problem with reading comprehension?
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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Ya whoever said it was unearned income is flat out wrong, you earn every bit of income you make its just that the law requires you to give up a portion of it as taxes. A tax break isn't the government giving you more money its them taking less of your money. Its a simple but as others have pointed out fundamental part of the philosophy behind this and many other countries.
    From an economic standpoint, these are merely two sides of the same coin. There really isn't a substantive difference objectively.
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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He responded to you saying the tax cut was earned(not the money, the cut), by saying it was not earned. I guess the question is are you intentionally lying to try and score points, or is the problem with reading comprehension?
    stop the stupidity

    he was saying that when the government changes the tax laws and takes less from a "rich person" that is unearned.

    that is idiotic

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He responded to you saying the tax cut was earned(not the money, the cut), by saying it was not earned. I guess the question is are you intentionally lying to try and score points, or is the problem with reading comprehension?
    Tax cuts need be "earned"? How? I hope you're not gonna tell me that the way to earn a tax cut is to make less money.


    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    From an economic standpoint, these are merely two sides of the same coin. There really isn't a substantive difference objectively.
    The objective difference is a basic understanding of economics, government and/or junior high social studies.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 07-22-12 at 11:21 PM.

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    From an economic standpoint, these are merely two sides of the same coin. There really isn't a substantive difference objectively.
    actually the difference is important

    it is the difference between who really owns the wealth

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Tax cuts need be "earned"? How? I hope you're not gonna tell me that the way to earn a tax cut is to make less money.

    the statists seem to think that. I wonder what the almost 50% of the country that does not pay income tax did to earn that while still having the same benefits that we tax payers have.

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    From an economic standpoint, these are merely two sides of the same coin. There really isn't a substantive difference objectively.
    Thats true, if you look at is as an equation there's no difference. For example if you pay $100 in taxes there's no difference for you if the government decides to take 20 less or give you $20 for whatever reason, either way you're up 20 bucks.

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually the difference is important

    it is the difference between who really owns the wealth
    Which isn't an economic evaluation, but rather one based on subjective values.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Which isn't an economic evaluation, but rather one based on subjective values.
    No dude, it's based on how our government works. Everyone should understand that the government doesn't make a profit and has no money of its own. That's basic social studies, like 8th grade. Failure to understand that could lead to catastrophic missteps in both economic reasoning and understanding reality.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 07-22-12 at 11:28 PM.

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    Re: Are savings from a tax law change "income the tax payer did not earn">

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No dude, it's based on how our government works. Everyone should understand that the government doesn't make a profit and has no money of its own. That's basic social studies, like 8th grade.
    its important for the statists to claim that when the government gives the bottom quintile 3 dollars for every dollar they make that is no difference than the rich getting a "tax cut"

    its the way the left justifies taxing the wealthy more. its the attitude that the government owns all wealth

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