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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    [list][*] It is not unheard of for LE to take people's items, i.e. computers, etc., and then never give them back because the investigation is never technically closed. That crap has to stop. Take the computer, examine the hard drive or whatever, but it should be given back within a reasonable time frame. 30 or 60 days would be reasonable. If it's not given back... in the same condition and working order as when taken... it's purchased by LE.
    For the most part I agree, but I would say as soon as a decision is either adjudicated, or disposed, depending on what the item is. You obviously can't give a firearm back to a person who used it in a crime for example. I pretty much agree with the rest. Especially the last item, though I believe they already pay for damages caused by mistaken address.
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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    For the most part I agree, but I would say as soon as a decision is either adjudicated, or disposed, depending on what the item is. You obviously can't give a firearm back to a person who used it in a crime for example. I pretty much agree with the rest. Especially the last item, though I believe they already pay for damages caused by mistaken address.
    Some nuances or possible minor exceptions to the exceptions, sure.

    As far as paying for mistaken addresses, my main point is that there shouldn't even be a question about it. No resistance. Ne hedging. Just do it. Personally, I think even a formal apology is in order, but I know that asking a lot.
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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Free to get tied up and beaten by the local thugs while they raped your wife and children because there are no consequences and far too many people in our society are like...

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    I wonder what percentage of these broken doors and destroyed walls are a result of the War on Drugs. I'd guess that drug raids account for almost all of them. Just one more reason to support an end to the "War on Drugs".

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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Free to get tied up and beaten by the local thugs while they raped your wife and children because there are no consequences and far too many people in our society are like...

    "EWWW... GUNS!!"""

    <now just picture a man in a sweater vest holding the magazine weld of a gun up with his arm extended as far away from his body as humanly possible with a look of disgust on his face>
    I could just as easily say that many murders and deaths result in this country as a result of people being too comfortable with guns. It's not "Ewwww, guns" that is the problem, It is "OOOOOOOOO, guns!" that is the problem.

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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    If the raid is performed through legal sanction and the raid results in charges and later a conviction, then no...they should not have to pay for damages sustained at the property.

    I don't agree. Just because you are convicted of "a crime" that does not mean police get to destroy and take your property. If a door is broken in after the person refused to open it or it for a MAJOR felony, no the police/government doesn't have to pay. But tearing up furniture and then find some personal use pot justifies it? No.

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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I don't agree. Just because you are convicted of "a crime" that does not mean police get to destroy and take your property. If a door is broken in after the person refused to open it or it for a MAJOR felony, no the police/government doesn't have to pay. But tearing up furniture and then find some personal use pot justifies it? No.
    I don't even get what you're saying, here. Police most often destroy property when dealing with an unwilling suspect or when information leads them to believe they cannot access evidence (which must be clearly listed on the warrant) without doing so. Most police don't just go in with battering rams and jack hammers for no good reason.

    Secondly, how many police officers get warrants to search homes for misdemeanor pot possession?
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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Make all crime legal then you wouldnt have to worry about the police at all....YOU WOULD BE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
    It would be hilarious if I actually said that, wouldn't it?

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    Free to get tied up and beaten by the local thugs while they raped your wife and children because there are no consequences and far too many people in our society are like...

    "EWWW... GUNS!!"""

    <now just picture a man in a sweater vest holding the magazine weld of a gun up with his arm extended as far away from his body as humanly possible with a look of disgust on his face>
    And maybe that violence would be a lot less of a problem if we stopped wasting police power on hunting down contraband and actually focused on catching violent criminals, like the aforementioned thugs and rapists. Investigating violent crime doesn't take nearly as much property destruction or confiscation as hunting down contraband does. Tearing apart a home looking for drugs, taking someone's car because they drove it while carrying drugs, taking someone's computer because they torrented a new song... this is a ridiculous thing to send police to do when 15-20% of all women in this country will be raped sometime in their lives. Hunting down rapists doesn't require the same types of police actions as hunting contraband.

    So, a lot of this destruction and taking of property is only conducted in pursuit of what ought to be a secondary function of police. So, as I said, if we stop wasting police efforts on secondary purposes, this will be a moot issue until they actually catch all the rapists, murderers, and violent criminals, and no one can get away with such crimes anymore.
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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    I view a police raid, done correctly, like a tornado hitting my property. (e.g. They flatten my fence getting to the house they are raiding to prevent and escape of suspects.) However, if the raid was done incompetently, e.g. they got the address wrong, then a settlement on the damages should be reached. And if an out of court settlement can't be reached, sue.

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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I don't even get what you're saying, here. Police most often destroy property when dealing with an unwilling suspect or when information leads them to believe they cannot access evidence (which must be clearly listed on the warrant) without doing so. Most police don't just go in with battering rams and jack hammers for no good reason.
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    Re: Should homeowners/renters be reimbursed from damage that resulted from a police r

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    I could just as easily say that many murders and deaths result in this country as a result of people being too comfortable with guns. It's not "Ewwww, guns" that is the problem, It is "OOOOOOOOO, guns!" that is the problem.
    Murders and deaths in this country are overwhelmingly a result of idiots killing each other over an illegal substance, or while "high" ON an illegal substance.
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