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Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 11.4%

  • No

    Votes: 38 86.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Total voters
    44
Dr. Chuckles said:
not necessarily disagreeing, but your earlier comment seemed to completely ignore the PR edge to the act
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:shrug: it was a stunt. that he cared more about garnering good PR for himself than the food and energy shortage in his own country is rather telling.
 
cpwill said:
Let's do be realistic. realistically, Chavez is a threat force. Realistically, he is unlikely to attack the continental United States or serve as the launching pad for a third-party nation state attack on the United States. Realistically, he is likely willing to serve as the launching pad for a third-party non nation state attack on the United States.
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Really he is? Uhhh please share how your backing up these claims....
 
ecofarm said:
He did it to Colombia.
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Wait he invaded Colombia? He supported people that invaded Colombia? Are you talking about FARC?
If so ill post what i posted earlier this month on that:
"The documents' evidence of Venezuelan support for the Farc was so weak that Organisation of American States secretary general José Miguel Insulza told the US House subcommittee on western hemispheric affairs just a month later thatthere was "no evidence" of such support or collusion."
"Even more damning for the Colombian military's case were statements last year by General Douglas Fraser, head of the US Southern Command, in response to questions from Senator John McCain, regarding the alleged Venezuela-Farc connection, and the laptop "revelations": "We have not seen any connections specifically that I can verify that there has been a direct government-to-terrorist connection," Fraser stated, adding, "I am skeptical." (Fraser recanted his testimony the following day, following a meeting with the top state department official for Latin America, Arturo Valenzuela. But Fraser, as the US military's leader for activities in South America, is in a much better position to know.)"
What the FARC Files Really Reveal | venezuelanalysis.com

Also Chavez criticizes FARC a damn good amount, especially with their tactics: Chávez urges Colombia's FARC rebels to free all civilian hostages | venezuelanalysis.com Freed FARC Hostage Thanks Efforts of Venezuelan President to Win His Liberation | venezuelanalysis.com Venezuela Sends Troops to Colombian Border to Prevent Incursion of FARC Guerrillas | venezuelanalysis.com Hugo Chavez tells Colombian rebels to stop kidnapping | Reuters What the FARC Files Really Reveal | venezuelanalysis.com

And why would a President kick out all camps in Venezuela via the use of force, if he is supporting them? There are No More FARC Camps in Venezuela: Santos | venezuelanalysis.com

"Look at what has happened and is happening in Latin America, reflect on this (FARC-EP), we are done with war... enough with all this death"-Chavez on FARC
""The guerrilla war is history...At this moment in Latin America, an armed guerrilla movement is out of place"-Chavez on FARC


Yea... Chavez is really a "threat"...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Wait he invaded Colombia?
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We weren't talking about him invading. In fact, we were SPECIFICALLY NOT talking about that.

cpwill said:
Realistically, he is likely willing to serve as the launching pad for a third-party non nation state attack on the United States.
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That's exactly what he did to Colombia. He provided shelter and support for a terrorist group that launched kidnap and kill operations into Colombia. Spare me the "venezuelanalysis.com", I'm not clicking on goofy websites. I know enough history to understand what FARC is and what Chavez did with them.
 
ecofarm said:
That's exactly what he did to Colombia. He provided shelter and support for a terrorist group that launched kidnap and kill operations into Colombia. Spare me the "venezuelanalysis.com", I'm not clicking on goofy websites. I know enough history to understand what FARC is and what Chavez did with them.
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So you dont like factual information and analysis?
 
US is a world power elephant but every little fly becomes a threat for it according to the politicians.i can understand why some people dislike voting..
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So you dont like factual information and analysis?
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No, I don't like BS media that feeds propaganda to commie-wannabes, and that's probably what your citation is, seeing as it has a stupid name and is focused entirely on Venezuela.


Here's a headline from the dumbass website:

Venezuela: A Threat to Washington?
By Eva Golinger - Postcards from the Revolution , Jul 21st

Venezuela is not a threat to US security. Venezuela is an example of how a rising people, facing the most difficult obstacles and the brutal force of empire, can build a model where social justice reigns, and human prosperity is cherished above economic wealth.
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venezuelanalysis.com | Venezuela News, Views, and Analysis


You call that factual information and analysis? Whatever, dude. I'm not gonna argue about your favorite BS commie website.
 
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Yes, he may not go directly to war with us, but he supports other regimes and governments that are hostile to our national security interests. He is an indirect threat.
 
ecofarm said:
No, I don't like BS media that feeds propaganda to commie-wannabes. And that's probably what your cited website is, seeing as it has a stupid name and is focused entirely on Venezuela.
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So reporting on events in Venezuela is a "propaganda machine"? I mean if its propaganda to report on how the Chavez government is kicking out FARC bases in his country, and helping rescue hostages held with FARC, speaking out against their tactics, and that the OAS Secretary General stated that their is no connection between FARC and Venezuela... I mean if that is "propaganda and BS" then whatever. Stay that narrow minded.



venezuelanalysis.com | Venezuela News, Views, and Analysis


You call that factual information and analysis? Whatever, dude.
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:doh
Its in the opinion section bud...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Its in the opinion section bud...
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That was the homepage. A featured article. No dude, take that weak sauce elsewhere. I know what FARC has done, and I know about Chavez's involvement with them in the 90s and 00s.

Your source is crap and will not be respected. Unless you got something other than a flat-out propaganda website, we're done. Here's their "About Us" page. Every one of them's a stinkin' commie. And the first paragraph is repeated, how amateur.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/about



Venezuelanalysis.com is described in several newspapers as "pro-Chávez";[1][3][10] other sources say it is "left-leaning".[1][11] Wilpert, a founder and editor, describes the website as "mostly pro-Chavez";
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelanalysis.com

They claim a yearly budget of only $10k (that's not a whole lot of room for analysis). Any guesses who runs the "Fundación para la Justicia Económica Global" (the parent organization)? Ten bucks says it's the Chavez regime.




THAT's what you consider "factual information and analysis"? wow
 
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Hey dude, do you object to people using Fox News? 'Cause that would be freakin' hilarious.
 
digsbe said:
Yes, he may not go directly to war with us, but he supports other regimes and governments that are hostile to our national security interests. He is an indirect threat.
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Thats how I view him...hes another castro, no direct threat but a threat by association. The cuban crisis is similar castro asked russia to come in and set up missile silos..and they did what he couldnt do himself.
Chavez by his own mouth hates us and has befriended among others Iran just because they are our enemy. Does this mean I think we should attack venezuela? hell no... but I dont think we should poopoo all hes done and said and forget about him...I think we should keep an eye on him
 
Why do we always have to find an enemy, someone to point the finger at and say "you're next". Since this countries creation we have been this exact way. Its somewhat psychopathic.

And I reject the idea that there are actual sovereign nations out there that want to attack us on our home soil. Ok, maybe Iran, but do you really think they would be that stupid? If you do, I'll add paranoid to the diagnosis.
 
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Keep in mind that our Nation has prospered, even thrived on war, war making, weapons, war machines, war fuels, war contracting, war infrastructure, war foods, warplanes, war media and a constant repetoire of new and imagined threats of real and imaginary enemies and most citizens believe all the bullcrap, all the time. Lots of them on this website. Thinking ain't illegal, but obviously it ain't popular. The media tells us that Hugo has our OIL under his dirt and that he is a lowdown, scumsuckin' commie. Now , if all he had was rice paddies and rocks, he'd be harmless. On yeh! Well, he has the support of the populace as evidenced by being reelected 7 times and that should end discussions of legitamacy. He has Nationalized instead of Privatized and I think we should follow his lead in this Country. Our Energy Corporations profit handsomely on war and are allowed to buy all the Media they can afford to gin up new wars and many people think those wars are their own ideas. Great programming and it is working as evidenced by many posters here. The "Mighty Wurlitzer" keeps on crankin', did you notice?
 
ecofarm said:
That was the homepage. A featured article. No dude, take that weak sauce elsewhere.
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So you dont think its a reliable outlet because of the websites layout? :roll:

I know what FARC has done, and I know about Chavez's involvement with them in the 90s and 00s.
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Apparently you only no one very narrow side... And refuse to see the other side.

Your source is crap and will not be respected. Unless you got something other than a flat-out propaganda website, we're done. Here's their "About Us" page. Every one of them's a stinkin' commie. And the first paragraph is repeated, how amateur.

About venezuelanalysis.com | venezuelanalysis.com
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Commies?




They claim a yearly budget of only $10k (that's not a whole lot of room for analysis). Any guesses who runs the "Fundación para la Justicia Económica Global" (the parent organization)? Ten bucks says it's the Chavez regime.
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Ok. Any proof?



THAT's what you consider "factual information and analysis"? wow
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So basically you wont even look at it because of 1.)the layout of the website and 2.)the about us section.

So you refuse to read news because of the source?
So answer me this, are you caliming the links i provided are "lies"?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So you dont think its a reliable outlet because of the websites layout? :roll:


Apparently you only no one very narrow side... And refuse to see the other side.


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Commies?





Ok. Any proof?




So basically you wont even look at it because of 1.)the layout of the website and 2.)the about us section.

So you refuse to read news because of the source?
So answer me this, are you caliming the links i provided are "lies"?
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VENEZUELA ANALYSIS, INC., NEW YORK, NY
Alek Boyd: Gregory Wilpert of Venezuelanalysis married to Chavez's official

Gregory Wilpert: Chavez defender | GlobalPost Perhaps the most prominent Chavista is Gregory Wilpert, editor of venezuelaanalysis.com, an English-language news website, and author of “Changing Venezuela By Taking Power: The History and Policies of the Chavez Government.” Wilpert, is a German-American sociologist and a former U.S. Fulbright scholar studying development in Caracas. He currently teaches political science at Brooklyn College’s Graduate Center for Worker Education in New York.



About venezuelanalysis.com | venezuelanalysis.com Web server services and bandwith is donated by Aporrea.org, a larger site maintained by grassroots groups in Venezuela. Venezuelanalysis.com is a project of Venezuela Analysis, Inc., which is registered as a non-profit organization in New York State and of the Fundación para la Justicia Económica Global, which is a foundation that is registered in Caracas, Venezuela.

Sobre Aporrea.org BIRTH

Aporrea born in May 2002 as the website of the People's Revolutionary joint space-revolutionary popular, established on April 10, 2002, essentially to meet the offensive of the bourgeoisie coup against Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and the defense of the conquests of the Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela and the will of the people. For details, see Revolutionary People's Assembly: Aporrea.org source at the end of this document.

After the Revolutionary People's Congress meeting left as such, have been a cyclical coordination space, mutant forms of grouping of political activists for action in late 2002, the website went online Aporrea.org, feeding on the information produced by their own readers, spontaneous street reporters that emerged, by spokespersons of organizations, by his team of volunteers and a network of communicators other popular alternative and community media.

In its design and administration came together creators Martín Sánchez and Gonzalo Gomez and popular fighters longtime Venezuelan social movements in Venezuela. Then have been adding new volunteers whose efforts and dedication contribute to its growth and consolidation. Several colleagues have joined the team and disembodied. For example, in 2004, Sanchez retired from the group to take a position as a diplomat for the Venezuelan government. The same has happened with others as Mario Silva, who is now host of The Hojilla and ran for governor of Carabobo state.

The proposed Aporrea popular communication took a giant leap from his role as means of information and discussion of workers and communities against the oil sabotage and coup lockout which was the second great wave of fascist oligarchy and empire against the Venezuelan revolutionary process.

Subsequently, Aporrea joined the National Association of Community Media, Free and Alternative (ANMCLA) and participated in their national meetings and conferences to mobilize, as well as its National Coordination.

venezuelanalysis.com is a documented propagandist voice of the the Chavez regime.

Aporrea.org is a billboard of Venezuelan popular movements and progressive-revolutionary activism in the world with their expressions of life and thought that passed through its general news section and opinion-reflection, and their thematic sections on different defense-related aspects of principles and rights, to life and struggles of the people and their social organizations.

PROPUESTA PROGRAMÁTICA INICIAL PARA LA ASAMBLEA POPULAR REVOLUCIONARIA - Por: Comisión de la Asamblea Popular Revolucionaria de Caracas.
 
ecofarm said:
That's exactly what he did to Colombia. He provided shelter and support for a terrorist group that launched kidnap and kill operations into Colombia.
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that is precisely correct.

I know enough history to understand what FARC is and what Chavez did with them.
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Yup. I spent about 6 months reading about these guys. Chavez is an a-hole and he supports a-holes.

DemSocialist said:
So you dont like factual information and analysis?
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I've dealt with actual factual information and actual analysis on the topic of Chavez and his extracurricular activities. Trust me on this one, DS, you are being suckered into defending a guy who really truly is someone you don't want to be associated with.
 
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cpwill;I've dealt with actual factual information and actual analysis on the topic of Chavez and his extracurricular activities. Trust me on this one said:
I can only think a brain transplant went awry. Links? "Trust me." That is the favorite quotation of used car salesmen. Chavez's job is to take care of Venezuelans. He's Nationalized some foreign Corporations and their assets. That's good for Venezuelans. He has marginalized the power of the wealthy 1% in Venezuela. That's good for Venezuelans and we should do it in this Country. He knows he is threatened by the radical right wing USA nutjobs and you can prove that to yourself by reading this thread. You really have to compare Chavez to the world's most prolific peddlers of chaos, mayhem, and death, as in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, much of Latin America, etc., etc., etc., Don't you think?
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DaveFagan said:
I can only think a brain transplant went awry. Links? "Trust me." That is the favorite quotation of used car salesmen. Chavez's job is to take care of Venezuelans. He's Nationalized some foreign Corporations and their assets. That's good for Venezuelans. He has marginalized the power of the wealthy 1% in Venezuela. That's good for Venezuelans and we should do it in this Country. He knows he is threatened by the radical right wing USA nutjobs and you can prove that to yourself by reading this thread. You really have to compare Chavez to the world's most prolific peddlers of chaos, mayhem, and death, as in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, much of Latin America, etc., etc., etc., Don't you think?
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And Chavez is the new 1%. Kind of a sideways step but worse.
 
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johnny_rebson said:
Are you saying it's a bad thing to invade another country?
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Depends entirely on the situation. For example no one has really said anything against the US invading France during WW2. Most of the complaints were that we were late to the party.
 
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