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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    You could say the same for very nearly every humanitarian relief program on earth. There are not many who do good works in the dark.
    not necessarily disagreeing, but your earlier comment seemed to completely ignore the PR edge to the act

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Mitt Romney: Venezuela

    Do you agree with Romney that Chavez poses a direct national security threat to the U.S.A, or do you think this is nothing more than fear mongering against socialism in Latin America that shouldn't be taken so seriously?

    This story has been posted elsewhere on this forum but i am seeking to establish consensus amongst American users on DP through the use of a poll, to see if they agree or disagree with Mitt.

    It's exactly the opposite. The USA is a threat to Venezuela's National security. OIL. Iraq. Libya. Who's gonna be the next OILY domino?

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    oh man, this is why I don't like to talk foreign policy here

    You might check the label on your hair oil. Too much falafa can cause shiite for brains.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    No he is not a threat to our national security. Nor is he a threat to anyone's national security. He is simply a socialist, and socialists piss off a lot of rich foreign private investors.


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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It's exactly the opposite. The USA is a threat to Venezuela's National security. OIL. Iraq. Libya. Who's gonna be the next OILY domino?

    It's totally un-American for leaders of other nations to deny us oil. We just can't allow them to manipulate oil prices.

    Iran is next.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It's exactly the opposite. The USA is a threat to Venezuela's National security. OIL. Iraq. Libya. Who's gonna be the next OILY domino?
    Targetting oil tyrants is smart. Those countries have the resources to nation-build themselves. We can do the other dictators after. And you know Iran is next. I, for one, cannot wait to see what Iranians do with a free country. We're talkin' Asian Tiger development.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If we overthrow Chavez, who can we replace him with?
    A huge threat? No. A minor threat? Yes. Any anti-American regime in close proximity to the US is a threat to some extent. Remember the Cuban missle crisis? Ok, we we're born yet but remember learning about it. . Today's missle threat isn't Soviet but it might be Iranian or North Korean. Is Chavez likely to allow Venusuela to be used as a forward base for an attack on America? No. Is it possible? Yeah.
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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    A huge threat? No. A minor threat? Yes. Any anti-American regime in close proximity to the US is a threat to some extent. Remember the Cuban missle crisis? Ok, we we're born yet but remember learning about it. . Today's missle threat isn't Soviet but it might be Iranian or North Korean. Is Chavez likely to allow Venusuela to be used as a forward base for an attack on America? No. Is it possible? Yeah.
    Is it possible we all might die tomorrow? Yes. Is it likely no.

    Lets be realistic.


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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Those who aren't capable of better than cowboys-and-indians level thinking about it should probably refrain from discussing foreign policy in any venue. It can't possibly go well.
    let's break down what you said.

    Quote Originally Posted by CardinalFang
    The Syrian government will have access to diesel under any circumstances
    This is incorrect for two reasons:

    1. There are many, obvious sets of black swan circumstances in which the Syrian government will not have access to diesel. There are several other more likely sets of circumstances in which the Syrian government loses its' access to diesel. As the Syrian governments' area of control constricts, it is less and less capable of attaining resources either domestically or internationally.

    2. The statement seems to imply that the Syrian government will, even in circumstances where it has access to diesel, have access to all the diesel it needs. This is exceedingly unlikely. The Syrian military has been actively deployed now for a year and a half, and the logistical system supporting them was not particularly world-class to begin with. Combined with the disruption of local production, the absence of foreign major suppliers (such as Chavez) would make it very likely that the Syrian regime would quickly find it's maneuver ability severely degraded, thus negating a key center of gravity for Syrian forces. BMP's without gas are useless outside of the max effective range of their mounted-guns.

    If there is a drop of it even near the country, they will have it
    This is not true for three reasons:

    1. The Syrian government does not control the entirety of Syria, but is rather currently engaged in a civil war.

    2. The Syrian government would have to mount an invasion of any territories "near" the country, which it is exceedingly unlikely to do, given the immediate and overwhelming response this would provoke. China and Russia will not be able to save Assad from a US response should it invade NATO-ally Turkey.

    3. In times of turmoil civilian providers of goods inevitably hoard, and are to greater or lesser extents inevitably successful at it.

    The EU/US boycotts have not stalled Assad
    No, and they were always unlikely to. They have degraded Assads' capabilities, which they were likely to do.

    However, the effect is mitigated because those who see the benefit in enabling Assads' regime (such as Russia, Iran, and yes, Hugo Chavez) to continue have helped to prop him up.

    They have instead stalled ordinary Syrians by crippling transportation and agriculture, severely damaging the well-being of those we say we are trying to protect.
    EXCEPT THAT YOU JUST SAID THAT IF THERE WAS A DROP OF DIESEL IN THE COUNTRY, ASSADS' FORCES WOULD SEIZE IT.

    you don't even know what you are saying.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Is it possible we all might die tomorrow? Yes. Is it likely no.

    Lets be realistic.
    Let's do be realistic. realistically, Chavez is a threat force. Realistically, he is unlikely to attack the continental United States or serve as the launching pad for a third-party nation state attack on the United States. Realistically, he is likely willing to serve as the launching pad for a third-party non nation state attack on the United States.

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