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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We are obliged not to follow illegal orders.....
    same thing.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    That is not a decision for members of the military to make, and I would woefully either arrest or shoot any of my brothers and sisters who attempted to do so.
    It is EVERY humans duty to act within their conscience ...

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That seems like you are setting a pretty high bar for Risk to National Security. There are plenty of threat forces out there. Chavez is definitely one of them.
    No doubt! Never trust a guy who would send tens of millions of gallons of free home heating oil to thousands of poor families freezing across the northern tier of the USA. He's obviously up to something shifty there...

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is not a decision for members of the military to make, and I would woefully either arrest or shoot any of my brothers and sisters who attempted to do so.
    LOL! Thinking like that got a lot of people fragged in Nam...

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    No doubt! Never trust a guy who would send tens of millions of gallons of free home heating oil to thousands of poor families freezing across the northern tier of the USA. He's obviously up to something shifty there...
    and Commodus gave out bread to the poor.


    Incidentally, I tried to look up that free heating oil. I didn't find anything on that, though I did find this:

    To Power Syria, Chávez Sends Diesel

    July 9 2012

    Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez and his state-oil company are providing vital energy support to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and conducting business with Syrian firms blacklisted by Washington and Brussels, according to documents relating to the deals.

    That puts Venezuela alongside Russia and Iran in an informal bloc of nations working to stymie the West's efforts to topple Mr. Assad and break up his military alliance with Iran, U.S. officials and Syrian activists say.

    The support centers on diesel fuel sent by Venezuela to Syria, shipments that officials from both sides of the trade have publicly confirmed. But the deals are structured to bring other benefits, including shielding Syria's dwindling foreign-exchange reserves, the documents show...

    Diesel is crucial for powering Syrian tanks and other military vehicles that are driving Damascus's continuing crackdown on Mr. Assad's political opponents. Even by conserative estimates, more than 10,000 Syrians have been killed by Damascus's security forces since the uprising against his regime began 18 months ago.

    "The huge movements of tanks and heavy armor require an enormous amount of heavy diesel," said Louay Sakkar of the Syrian Support Group, an activist organization calling for greater support for Syria's rebel army. "It's like the lifeblood of the killing regime."

    Venezuela and its state oil company have defended its rights to sell diesel to Syria. President Chávez has trumpeted his support for Iran and Syria as part of his desire to build an "anti-imperial" coalition of countries fighting what he calls American hegemony...
    Yeah, this guy is a no-goodnick.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    LOL! Thinking like that got a lot of people fragged in Nam...
    Really? How very interesting - please link some of these people who were ordered to go to Vietnam, then refused, and then fragged officers in Vietnam who instead insisted they go to Vietnam?


    Ohhh.... wait.... I'm sorry, I forgot. You were spouting out your ass. My bad .


    In today's infantry, however, disobeying legal orders get's your butt stomped on by senior leadership if you are lucky, and by your NCO's if you are not. Sudden, swift, unexpected buttstock to the face has an amazing ability to cure nascent and developing rebelliousness.
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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    It is EVERY humans duty to act within their conscience ...
    Sure. So long as you are willing to accept that the consequences for doing so inhabit the full range up to and including your death.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Sure. So long as you are willing to accept that the consequences for doing so inhabit the full range up to and including your death.
    Absolutely, which means that if your in an unjust war, you SHOULD resist, and you SHOULD frag, and you SHOULD avoid punishment and resist.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    No doubt! Never trust a guy who would send tens of millions of gallons of free home heating oil to thousands of poor families freezing across the northern tier of the USA. He's obviously up to something shifty there...
    that seemed more pr propaganda than anything else.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Incidentally, I tried to look up that free heating oil. I didn't find anything on that
    Wow! Not good with Google either...

    Free Heating Oil for Needy U.S. Families

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...though I did find this:
    More partisan and poorly thought through analysis. The Syrian government will have access to diesel under any circumstances. If there is a drop of it even near the country, they will have it. The EU/US boycotts have not stalled Assad. They have instead stalled ordinary Syrians by crippling transportation and agriculture, severely damaging the well-being of those we say we are trying to protect. Syrian farmers have had to resort to using horses and mules. Crops are scarce and very expensive. This is "help"? The growing humanitarian crisis in Syria is what Venezuela, Algeria, and a handful of other countries are responding to.

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