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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If we overthrow Chavez, who can we replace him with?
    Isn't there a Jong available? They look similar and they both like Iran.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Isn't there a Jong available? They look similar and they both like Iran.
    We want our guy to like Saudi Arabia, not Iran.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    We want our guy to like Saudi Arabia, not Iran.
    Which is stupid, Saudis are way worse than Iranians. Where were most of the 9/11 terrorist from? Yes yes, damn Saudis in their Audis...

    Anyway, I bet a 100 bucks we have more friends in Iran than we do in Saudi Arabia, not in government, I mean the people. Though we are going to push the people away with our policies of course, right into the arms of their government.

    Robert Baer has a good video from PBS stating about how the shiites are more catholic like in islam and the sunnis are more like the protestants. Meaning they shiites(iran) are more structured, unlike the more radical less centralized sunnis(saudi), which can be more dangerous.

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    Pretty sure you were joking but, just in case eh
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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Despite the fear mongering, I can't think of anyone who poses a risk to our (U.S.A) national security at the moment.
    That seems like you are setting a pretty high bar for Risk to National Security.

    There are plenty of threat forces out there. Chavez is definitely one of them.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    if we actually invaded Venezuela, I would expect our troops to commit mutiny.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if we actually invaded Venezuela, I would expect our troops to commit mutiny.
    what? why in the hell would we do that?

    and why does anything think that being identified as a threat force means invasion? hell, Russia, China, Iran, Syria, North Korea are all threat forces; we aren't invading any of them. It just means we recognize what they are and work to mitigate / negate their effects

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what? why in the hell would we do that?...
    cause it would be a stupid war, unworthy of fighting.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    cause it would be a stupid war, unworthy of fighting.

    That is not a decision for members of the military to make, and I would woefully either arrest or shoot any of my brothers and sisters who attempted to do so.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is not a decision for members of the military to make, and I would woefully either arrest or shoot any of my brothers and sisters who attempted to do so.
    no, we are obliged to resist illegal orders, including orders to fight an illegal war.

    without an act of war against us or them planning to attack us, an attack on Venezuela would be an illegal act of aggression.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, we are obliged to resist illegal orders, including orders to fight an illegal war.
    We are obliged not to follow illegal orders. "Stupid" orders are just fine. I've followed lots of orders I thought were stupid. The President of the United States has the power to send the military anywhere he wants for 90 days without Congressional approval (and the current occupant of Pennsylvania Avenue does not seem to think he needs even that), and off we go, regardless of whether or not you think the mission "worthy". Illegal Orders are those that violate the Laws of Armed Conflict or the laws of the force-nation, none of which say that any member of the military is to refuse to invade a nation because they disagree with the reasoning behind the invasion.

    without an act of war against us or them planning to attack us, an attack on Venezuela would be an illegal act of aggression.
    Aggressive yes, illegal no.
    Last edited by cpwill; 07-19-12 at 09:49 AM.

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