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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Chavez on one hand tells everyone about evil corporations but at the same time uses corporations.
    Perhaps unlike some, he has the capacity to perceive shades of gray and rails only against the evil ones who make the lives of millions of people worse in order to benefit the lives of a handful. See, a corporation that delivered free home heating oil to hundreds of thousands of low-income Americans in the winter wouldn't be likely to fall into that category.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You questioned what I knew about Venezuela, and countered with what I do know personally. If you do not want to believe me I am not bothered.
    You responded with unsupported fulminations in marionette-like recitation of stick-figure level right-wing fairy tale and allegory.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yea But ole George was never a Socialist revolutionary which is entirely different.
    So terrorism is okay depending on the political label popularly affixed to the perpetrator. Nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    What you didnt like that blog by a Venezuelan? You did request a blog from a Venezuelan.
    No, I didn't make such a request. Any idiot can write a blog. Read a few for proof of the point. There are idiots from all over the spectrum out there. Might help I suppose to be sophisticated enough to be able to recognize them to start out with.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Perhaps unlike some, he has the capacity to perceive shades of gray and rails only against the evil ones who make the lives of millions of people worse in order to benefit the lives of a handful. See, a corporation that delivered free home heating oil to hundreds of thousands of low-income Americans in the winter wouldn't be likely to fall into that category.
    All corporations make donations so I do not see your point. In fact I live in a mining area and the corrupt corporation that owns most of the mining operations makes many similar donations but that does not somehow forgive them for their dirty deeds. I guess CHavez is forgiven because he offered bribes to our poor people?


    You responded with unsupported fulminations in marionette-like recitation of stick-figure level right-wing fairy tale and allegory.
    You are the one with your head stuck in the sand pretending that a dishonest man is the savior of the Venezuelan people. take a look at this Anti Chavez rally, those are real Venezuelans under their own freedom voicing their distaste for your hero. Personally I believe them over a tool like yourself.




    So terrorism is okay depending on the political label popularly affixed to the perpetrator. Nice.
    Nice strawman you have going there. Let me know what you are going to say that I meant next ok? I am not going to fall for a silly stunt like this especially when it has nothing to do with anything. It does tell me a few things about you though.


    No, I didn't make such a request. Any idiot can write a blog. Read a few for proof of the point. There are idiots from all over the spectrum out there. Might help I suppose to be sophisticated enough to be able to recognize them to start out with.
    "Why don't you get down to brass tacks and provide some names and links. I won't wait up though."

    I guess any Venezuelan that disagree with you doesn't count huh? How about that anti Chavez rally do you discount those Venezuelan citizens as well?

    Tens of thousands protest Hugo Chavez in Venezuela - Telegraph

    Riot police block anti-Chavez rally - Taipei Times

    The demonstrators said a blacklist barring key opposition candidates from elections and a series of socialist decrees are destroying what’s left of their democracy.


    Chavez opponents are also outraged over 26 laws the president just decreed, some of them nearly the same as the socialist measures voters rejected in December.

    Wouldnt that be Chavez dictating instead of democracy?

    Again lets look at those ant Chavez protesters that you think does not exist.



    BTW you are really not making any headway calling me or trying to relate me to the Right. In fact the more you go off on such a ridiculous strawman argument just shows me that you are a hack.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    All corporations make donations so I do not see your point.
    Congratulations this morning to Ruben Limardo, but my actual point re corporations is that you can't expound one. You opened this topic by claiming that it was somehow hypocritical of Chavez to rely on corporations to help implement his policies and have been flipping and flopping and floundering all over the place trying to explain it ever since. Despite such expenditure of energy, you remain at a great distance from that goal.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I guess CHavez is forgiven because he offered bribes to our poor people?
    Actually, he sent free home heating oil to hundreds of thousands of low-income American households during the winter. Your unreasoned biases and hatreds prevent you from recognizing this as a generous and compassionate act, while no doubt also preventing you from recognizing the shame of people in the US having been left in a situation to need such assistance to begin with. Rath should be focused here on the vindictive Republican cheapskates in Washington who seek to shower the rich with tax breaks while slashing cold-weather home heating assistance to the poor.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You are the one with your head stuck in the sand pretending that a dishonest man is the savior of the Venezuelan people.
    Regale us with some tales from the days of the oligarchy, why don't you. You know, back when fewer than two dozen families ran the country as their private playground and real average incomes of poverty-crippled ordinary folks were declining year after year after year across three decades of economic ond other forms of exploitation and brutality. Tell us again why those people should be brought back and put in charge again.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    ...take a look at this Anti Chavez rally, those are real Venezuelans under their own freedom voicing their distaste for your hero.
    Somehow these people have been a minority for a long time, a time during which the lives and conditions of real Venezuelan people have been improving. Are you suggesting that the majority that has consistently voted for Chavez is NOT comprised of real Venezuelans?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Personally I believe them over a tool like yourself.
    It's plain enough to me that you'll swallow any pack of lies at all so long as it conforms to your preset package of personal biases and hatreds.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Nice strawman you have going there.
    Not a strawman. You've made it apparent that you will excuse or condemn terrorism depending upon the politics of the person or people conducting it. That's a pretty weak not to mention contemptible stance.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    "Why don't you get down to brass tacks and provide some names and links. I won't wait up though."
    Posted with reference to your claim of personally speaking with people in Venezuela. Now it turns out that from ime to time you read a couple of right-wing blogs. Big insider and expert you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I guess any Venezuelan that disagree with you doesn't count huh? How about that anti Chavez rally do you discount those Venezuelan citizens as well?
    Not at all. It's always possible that Chavez will lose in the fall. Perhaps in that case, the new government will send a bill to the hundreds of thousands of low-income American households who previosuly received free home-heating oil through Chavez's efforts. That would be so like them.

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    Re: Is Venezuela's Chavez a threat to American National Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Congratulations this morning to Ruben Limardo, but my actual point re corporations is that you can't expound one. You opened this topic by claiming that it was somehow hypocritical of Chavez to rely on corporations to help implement his policies and have been flipping and flopping and floundering all over the place trying to explain it ever since. Despite such expenditure of energy, you remain at a great distance from that goal.
    Well then if Hugo Chavez has nothing against corporations then he is not really a Socialist now is he?


    "Drink Juice not Pepsi or Coca-cola." Hugo CHavez It would seem that Chavez only hates corporations that he does not control. Sounds hypocritical to me.

    Actually, he sent free home heating oil to hundreds of thousands of low-income American households during the winter. Your unreasoned biases and hatreds prevent you from recognizing this as a generous and compassionate act, while no doubt also preventing you from recognizing the shame of people in the US having been left in a situation to need such assistance to begin with. Rath should be focused here on the vindictive Republican cheapskates in Washington who seek to shower the rich with tax breaks while slashing cold-weather home heating assistance to the poor.
    Yes and kings take care of their peasants too. But that does not make monarchies a good thing. BTW give up the strawman arguments already. The only reason that Chavez is giving anything to Americans is to make us look bad. It is Hugo's personal propaganda campaign. And only a naive fool would refuse to accept that.

    Regale us with some tales from the days of the oligarchy, why don't you. You know, back when fewer than two dozen families ran the country as their private playground and real average incomes of poverty-crippled ordinary folks were declining year after year after year across three decades of economic ond other forms of exploitation and brutality. Tell us again why those people should be brought back and put in charge again.
    More strawman BS. I never in my life have supported the corrupt governments of Venezuela. Just because I recognize that Chavez is another corrupt regime does not mean that I somehow now support the other assholes.


    Somehow these people have been a minority for a long time, a time during which the lives and conditions of real Venezuelan people have been improving. Are you suggesting that the majority that has consistently voted for Chavez is NOT comprised of real Venezuelans?
    No I am saying that the elections are not fair. As long as Chavez is alive or someone else in his regime is in control the opposition will not win. And even if a i am wrong and the opposition wins it wont matter since Chavez owns the military and will simply take bake control. In October or there after we will all see what happens. And when Chavez shows his true nature again I will be here to point it out. WHich will be enjoyable for me but not for Venezuelans.


    It's plain enough to me that you'll swallow any pack of lies at all so long as it conforms to your preset package of personal biases and hatreds.
    And it is plain to me that you are a tool.


    Not a strawman. You've made it apparent that you will excuse or condemn terrorism depending upon the politics of the person or people conducting it. That's a pretty weak not to mention contemptible stance.
    No you said that which makes it your strawman argument fool.


    Posted with reference to your claim of personally speaking with people in Venezuela. Now it turns out that from ime to time you read a couple of right-wing blogs. Big insider and expert you are.
    Believe whatever you want I really do not care what you think of me or who you believe that I know. I just find it amazing that you have ignored the anti Chavez rallies as if they do not exist.


    Not at all. It's always possible that Chavez will lose in the fall. Perhaps in that case, the new government will send a bill to the hundreds of thousands of low-income American households who previosuly received free home-heating oil through Chavez's efforts. That would be so like them.
    We do not need Chavez's bribes we need to get off of using fuel oil. Fuel oil is a primitive method of heating that is pasts time since it is inefficient and expensive. All that Chavez is achieving is keeping his customers hooked while earning browny points with tools like you. Lol its amateur propaganda at that.

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