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"Obamacare" or UHC?

Would You Rather Have Obamacare or a System of UHC?

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Would you rather have the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (AKA "Obamacare) or have a system of UHC in this country?
 
I'd rather have "first class ticket to ..." than either of these.

Maybe Texan Independence, yeah that's the ticket.
 
I would much prefer UHC to the conservative alternative - the insurance mandate.
 
I'd rather texas were independent too, so the rest of us can have UHC.
 
I'm beginning to think that we should just have a "libertarian opt-out" for everything. Better yet why don't we set aside a parcel of land so that the libertarians can have their own paradise lol. That would be quite an experiment.
 
Neither. I also vote for Texas Independence, but really, all the bloody UHC and dumbasscare advocates leaving the country and letting the rest of us live free of this nonsense would be an even better choice.
 
Catawba said:
I would much prefer UHC to the conservative alternative - the insurance mandate.
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So for the record, you are strongly against the insurance mandate?



I chose universal, albeit arbitrarily. Obamacare guarantees rising prices of medical care and forces us to keep forking it over for it, at the cost of the taxpayer and at the direct and immediate benefit of private corporations. What kind of hell of a country literally forces its citizens by law to enrich private companies?

Certain models of UHC might allow government to oppressively ration health care, which is quite desperately needed. Or if it doesn't it would accelerate our self-destruction and get it over with, which is also what Obamacare does, only less efficiently.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
I'm beginning to think that we should just have a "libertarian opt-out" for everything. Better yet why don't we set aside a parcel of land so that the libertarians can have their own paradise lol. That would be quite an experiment.
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We had one. It was called the United States of America.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I'm beginning to think that we should just have a "libertarian opt-out" for everything. Better yet why don't we set aside a parcel of land so that the libertarians can have their own paradise lol. That would be quite an experiment.
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Yeah, the world has that - they call it "Hong Kong".
 
I vote Obamacare, which at least has the silver lining that it will destroy itself within a couple of years from cost explosion and people opting-out of the system en masse.
 
UHC but then I am Canadian. I see Obamacare as being pretty much the worst possible way to go. It is a tax on those who can least afford it and will make it even harder to move to a UHC system. You guys should have looked around the world taken the best ideas and tried to come up with something even better, instead you got this monstrosity.
 
Quag said:
UHC but then I am Canadian. I see Obamacare as being pretty much the worst possible way to go. It is a tax on those who can least afford it and will make it even harder to move to a UHC system. You guys should have looked around the world taken the best ideas and tried to come up with something even better, instead you got this monstrosity.
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Welcome to Capitol Hill politics...
 
To make an INFORMED selection you MUST understand the REAL meaning of each choice. I submit that most "voters", in this poll, do not. I chose none of the above. Note that even most discussions of "universal health care" can neither easily define it, nor point to ANY country that they feel has implemented it "correctly" to serve as an example. Perhaps this link will help familiarize folks with just how COMPLEX of an issue that UHC really is: Health Care Around the World
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Would you rather have the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (AKA "Obamacare) or have a system of UHC in this country?
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I'd like what works best. I didn't have that option on your poll. I'm a design engineer, so I'm always looking for what works best. So describe the functionality of the two systems, a bunch of details compared helps.
 
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cpwill said:
Yeah, the world has that - they call it "Hong Kong".
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Hong Kong, like every other developed nation except us, has universal health care. In fact, it has one of the most top-down approaches anywhere in the world since it was modeled after the British NHS. The government actually owns most of the hospitals, rather than just coordinating insurance payments.
 
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Quag said:
UHC but then I am Canadian. I see Obamacare as being pretty much the worst possible way to go. It is a tax on those who can least afford it
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[citation needed]
 
Kandahar said:
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Small employers will be the most affected by the PPACA mandates for increased labor overhead costs of employee medical care insurance.

In the post-PPACA world, escalating costs will represent one of the most predictable outcomes of health reform for employers. As employers face higher costs and expanded requirements, many will turn to alternative risk transfer funding methods such as self-insurance to better manage their health plans and control costs. While embraced by larger firms for years, self-insurance is becoming an increasingly popular option for mid-size and small employers as well. In the new healthcare marketplace, self-insurance is a viable solution to rising health care costs—whether for financially qualified employers considering self-funding as an alternative to fully insured coverage, or for employers with self-funded plans already in place.
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Quote taken from link: PPACA: SMALL BUSINESS AND SELF-INSURANCE « The Self-Insurance Source
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Would you rather have the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (AKA "Obamacare) or have a system of UHC in this country?
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I vote for option 3: A health care reform plan that will reform (not transform) health care.
 
I vote for UHC, but not a "free" system of government provided services for everything. Universal health insurance is the way to go. Let the individual pay for doctor's visits. The insurance can pick up the tab (most of it anyway) when there is a serious illness or accident that the individual can't pay for.

Obomneycare isn't going to control costs. When costs continue to go up, its detractors will say they are going up because of it, but that won't be correct. Costs have been out of control for a long time now. The bottom line is that we can afford neither the pre reform system nor Obomneycare.
 
Quag said:
UHC but then I am Canadian. I see Obamacare as being pretty much the worst possible way to go. It is a tax on those who can least afford it and will make it even harder to move to a UHC system. You guys should have looked around the world taken the best ideas and tried to come up with something even better, instead you got this monstrosity.
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That would require common sense and rational thinking, two things American politicians don't do well. I mean we still think are "Number 1" and are "envy of the world."
 
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