View Poll Results: Would You Rather Have Obamacare or a System of UHC?

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm going to have to see how the AHA works before I'll know.

    Personally, I don't understand why the government didn't simply envelope everyone into Medicare and call it a day.
    Beacuse the TRUE COSTS could not be hidden by doing that. It does not take thousands of pages of law to say keep what medical care insurance you have, make those without it by it from "pools" or exchanges" and give some more folks medicaid access. This is a scam to make the HUGE costs look little, and to delay the big tax bills until 2014 through 2018. Yes he did!
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Libertarian philosophy is not anarchy. It is that the purpose of the government is to protect our rights. What we see in Somalia is anarchy in which no one has any rights.
    Actually, it is. Property rights is about the only one of concern to libertarianism. The weak federalism it advocates will allow the states to descend into anarchy by unequal protection of rights, from abortion to contraception to segregation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Beacuse the TRUE COSTS could not be hidden by doing that. It does not take thousands of pages of law to say keep what medical care insurance you have, make those without it by it from "pools" or exchanges" and give some more folks medicaid access. This is a scam to make the HUGE costs look little, and to delay the big tax bills until 2014 through 2018. Yes he did!
    Exactly. Much of the real costs will be buried in insurance industry income statements and balance sheets. But then there's also the $1.7 Trillion to boot. And whatever upward pressure it will put on Medicaid as fewer and fewer can afford their skyrocketing premiums.

    Hey, maybe that's one way to implement UHC... Make everyone poor enough that they have to apply for Medicaid.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    That experiment has already been hypothesized. It didn't turn out well......

    Libertarianism is not anarchy.

    How many dumb mischaracterizations can we get in one thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Actually, it is. Property rights is about the only one of concern to libertarianism. The weak federalism it advocates will allow the states to descend into anarchy by unequal protection of rights, from abortion to contraception to segregation.
    Horsecrap. Libertarians are about the only folks left trying to meaningfully slow the accelerating acquisition of power by the Federal Govt. Republicans, the religious right, Democrats, liberals and socialists are all in favor of expanding government over time. The idea that states can't be united in a basic way and left to govern themselves beyond that is a fast track to anarchy is profoundly insane.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Since the question is either/or, I'd rather have a UHC system than Obamacare hands down. Obamacare is benefits large corporations and hurts small-businesses, IMO.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    [...] The PPACA has many things that INCREASE the current cost of medical care and its related mandated medical care insurance [...]
    Can you name some of those things?

    Here are the few I'm aware of:
    1. Removal of health insurance lifetime benefit cap (surely this would be a tiny increase, and to be honest I had no problem with the cap).
    2. Coverage of pre-existings. I think this would be a rather small increase as well.
    3. 100% coverage of preventative care. I think this will be a wash (cost to insurance company will be offset by lower costs down the road).

    4. Some tax on medical devices. I don't use any medical devices, but I can see a tiny increase in overall insurance expenditures.

    So... what ya got?

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm beginning to think that we should just have a "libertarian opt-out" for everything. Better yet why don't we set aside a parcel of land so that the libertarians can have their own paradise lol. That would be quite an experiment.
    No scheit! I almost want to quote this in my siggy area.

    Anyway, it goes against my normal beliefs and values, but I really think UHC is the only real and workable option. Obamacare, IMO, will be a long-term boondoggle, and will only serve to prolong the switch to UHC.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    [...] Personally, I don't understand why the government didn't simply envelope everyone into Medicare and call it a day.
    Politics. Obama has indicated that he would have preferred UHC (Medicare for everone, effectively) but it was undoable politically at this point in time (look at the apoplectic fit the GOP is still having over Obamacare). So, he saw Obamacare as a step in that direction, and had they been able to keep the Government Option in the package it would have been more of a step in that direction instead of a boon for health insurance companies.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Libertarianism is not anarchy.

    How many dumb mischaracterizations can we get in one thread.
    You've been around here long enough to know the answer to that

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