View Poll Results: Would You Rather Have Obamacare or a System of UHC?

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smart View Post
    We had one. It was called the United States of America.
    That is such crap. If you want a libertarian paradise go move to Somolia. No gov't intervention in business, or regulation, or anything for that matter... No taxes, you can do whatever it is that your little libertarian heart desires.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    That is such crap. If you want a libertarian paradise go move to Somolia. No gov't intervention in business, or regulation, or anything for that matter... No taxes, you can do whatever it is that your little libertarian heart desires.
    That's always THE response: "Move to Somalia then!" Why? Last time I checked, one can speak out against what one doesn't approve of the government. Don't like opposition? Join a dictatorship!
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    That is such crap. If you want a libertarian paradise go move to Somolia. No gov't intervention in business, or regulation, or anything for that matter... No taxes, you can do whatever it is that your little libertarian heart desires.
    Libertarian philosophy is not anarchy. It is that the purpose of the government is to protect our rights. What we see in Somalia is anarchy in which no one has any rights.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    When someone with a negative net worth and without insurance ends up in an ER with a $50,000 bill noone is forced to pay. Right?

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    YES! Exactly ike the following family (copied from an earlier post):
    A Tea Party family was at the demonstration, father, mother and one 10 year old son; two more at home. My wife and I chatted with them. The father is a vet that started serving just after the Viet War ended. He was disposing of Agent Orange; which in our opinion may have been the source of his health problems. He had a heart attack about 6 months earlier. Went to the hospital where his wife works as a low level employee. What she said she did only pays low wages. They canít afford the extra for family health insurance, she was the only one insured since that canít be refused for more pay. His bill was about $90,000. Her wages were garnished by the hospital; itís only a small garnishment so it will take a very long time to pay it off. Again, they were there with a Donít Tread On Me flag and more.
    Yup, it's good that this family was not forced to pay! Right? Note, 90K at 4% is $300/month in intrest alone. I think her payments were less than $300/month.
    And if they had UHC they wouldnt even worry about the 300$, As a Canadian with UHC you will have a near impossible time convincing me obamacare is even close to being as fair to the poor as our system.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is simply not true. Most people who can't afford it will either get free Medicaid, or receive a generous subsidy for private health insurance. And the few who still can't afford it will get a financial hardship exemption from the mandate.
    See bolded then realize why I think obama care sucks vs UHC, jump through hoops for the poor and charge the guy who can afford it just barely the same as the multi millionaire sounds great to me.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    See bolded then realize why I think obama care sucks vs UHC,
    Of course it sucks vs UHC. But you claimed that it would be a tax on people who could least afford it, which is simply not true. Anyone who can't afford insurance (and there will be far fewer of them with all the subsidies) would be EXEMPTED from the tax.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Of course it sucks vs UHC. But you claimed that it would be a tax on people who could least afford it, which is simply not true. Anyone who can't afford insurance (and there will be far fewer of them with all the subsidies) would be EXEMPTED from the tax.
    Perhaps we disagre on the term poor. If you can afford it just then it sucks to be you as you will have to pay.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    And if they had UHC they wouldnt even worry about the 300$, As a Canadian with UHC you will have a near impossible time convincing me obamacare is even close to being as fair to the poor as our system.
    Oh, but they would have been forced to pay for his insurance indirectly, that is so unfair. He had exposure to Agent Orange in the military which is most likely the root cause of his heart attack but our government wasn't giving into that claim, and that saves us on taxes. Since they chose not to have insurance wouldn't the fairest thing to do is not accept him into the ER. It would have saved everyone money. (This side of the the issue is so much fun!)
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Perhaps we disagre on the term poor. If you can afford it just then it sucks to be you as you will have to pay.
    Everyone whose annual income is less than $44,680 (for an individual) or $92,200 (for a family of four) will get subsidies to help them pay for health insurance. That's not exactly dire poverty, or anything close to it. If at that level of income, you can't afford health insurance and you can't afford to pay the tax, then you're doing it wrong.
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