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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    UHC but then I am Canadian. I see Obamacare as being pretty much the worst possible way to go. It is a tax on those who can least afford it
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
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    Small employers will be the most affected by the PPACA mandates for increased labor overhead costs of employee medical care insurance.

    In the post-PPACA world, escalating costs will represent one of the most predictable outcomes of health reform for employers. As employers face higher costs and expanded requirements, many will turn to alternative risk transfer funding methods such as self-insurance to better manage their health plans and control costs. While embraced by larger firms for years, self-insurance is becoming an increasingly popular option for mid-size and small employers as well. In the new healthcare marketplace, self-insurance is a viable solution to rising health care costs—whether for financially qualified employers considering self-funding as an alternative to fully insured coverage, or for employers with self-funded plans already in place.
    Quote taken from link: PPACA: SMALL BUSINESS AND SELF-INSURANCE « The Self-Insurance Source
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Would you rather have the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (AKA "Obamacare) or have a system of UHC in this country?
    I vote for option 3: A health care reform plan that will reform (not transform) health care.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    I vote for UHC, but not a "free" system of government provided services for everything. Universal health insurance is the way to go. Let the individual pay for doctor's visits. The insurance can pick up the tab (most of it anyway) when there is a serious illness or accident that the individual can't pay for.

    Obomneycare isn't going to control costs. When costs continue to go up, its detractors will say they are going up because of it, but that won't be correct. Costs have been out of control for a long time now. The bottom line is that we can afford neither the pre reform system nor Obomneycare.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    UHC but then I am Canadian. I see Obamacare as being pretty much the worst possible way to go. It is a tax on those who can least afford it and will make it even harder to move to a UHC system. You guys should have looked around the world taken the best ideas and tried to come up with something even better, instead you got this monstrosity.
    That would require common sense and rational thinking, two things American politicians don't do well. I mean we still think are "Number 1" and are "envy of the world."
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Would you rather have the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (AKA "Obamacare) or have a system of UHC in this country?
    Not even close. UHC!

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I vote for UHC, but not a "free" system of government provided services for everything. Universal health insurance is the way to go. Let the individual pay for doctor's visits. The insurance can pick up the tab (most of it anyway) when there is a serious illness or accident that the individual can't pay for.

    Obomneycare isn't going to control costs. When costs continue to go up, its detractors will say they are going up because of it, but that won't be correct. Costs have been out of control for a long time now. The bottom line is that we can afford neither the pre reform system nor Obomneycare.
    Correct. Single payer. Here, that would be two tiered.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
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    They now HAVE to buy insurance or pay a fine, Supreme court ruled it a tax. people who have decided not to buy insurance because they don`t have enough $ to do so will be forced to pay.
    Ie they are those who can least afford it and are now forced to pay.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    They now HAVE to buy insurance or pay a fine, Supreme court ruled it a tax. people who have decided not to buy insurance because they don`t have enough $ to do so will be forced to pay.
    Ie they are those who can least afford it and are now forced to pay.
    YES! Exactly ike the following family (copied from an earlier post):
    A Tea Party family was at the demonstration, father, mother and one 10 year old son; two more at home. My wife and I chatted with them. The father is a vet that started serving just after the Viet War ended. He was disposing of Agent Orange; which in our opinion may have been the source of his health problems. He had a heart attack about 6 months earlier. Went to the hospital where his wife works as a low level employee. What she said she did only pays low wages. They can’t afford the extra for family health insurance, she was the only one insured since that can’t be refused for more pay. His bill was about $90,000. Her wages were garnished by the hospital; it’s only a small garnishment so it will take a very long time to pay it off. Again, they were there with a Don’t Tread On Me flag and more.
    Yup, it's good that this family was not forced to pay! Right? Note, 90K at 4% is $300/month in intrest alone. I think her payments were less than $300/month.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    They now HAVE to buy insurance or pay a fine, Supreme court ruled it a tax. people who have decided not to buy insurance because they don`t have enough $ to do so will be forced to pay.
    Ie they are those who can least afford it and are now forced to pay.
    This is simply not true. Most people who can't afford it will either get free Medicaid, or receive a generous subsidy for private health insurance. And the few who still can't afford it will get a financial hardship exemption from the mandate.
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