View Poll Results: Would You Rather Have Obamacare or a System of UHC?

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    8 14.81%
  • Universal Health Care

    46 85.19%
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    I vote Obamacare, which at least has the silver lining that it will destroy itself within a couple of years from cost explosion and people opting-out of the system en masse.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smart View Post
    We had one. It was called the United States of America.
    Not really, no.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    UHC but then I am Canadian. I see Obamacare as being pretty much the worst possible way to go. It is a tax on those who can least afford it and will make it even harder to move to a UHC system. You guys should have looked around the world taken the best ideas and tried to come up with something even better, instead you got this monstrosity.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    ACA won't reduce costs.

    National health-insurance would.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    UHC but then I am Canadian. I see Obamacare as being pretty much the worst possible way to go. It is a tax on those who can least afford it and will make it even harder to move to a UHC system. You guys should have looked around the world taken the best ideas and tried to come up with something even better, instead you got this monstrosity.
    Welcome to Capitol Hill politics...
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I would much prefer UHC to the conservative alternative - the insurance mandate.
    I feel the same.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ACA won't reduce costs.

    National health-insurance would.
    What do you base that ASSUMPTION on? Here are the CURRENT costs per person of medicaid, which pays SO little that about 1/2 of our medical care providers will not WILLINGLY accept its patients for care.

    Links: What is the cost per person annually for medicaid

    https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...Report2011.pdf
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    To make an INFORMED selection you MUST understand the REAL meaning of each choice. I submit that most "voters", in this poll, do not. I chose none of the above. Note that even most discussions of "universal health care" can neither easily define it, nor point to ANY country that they feel has implemented it "correctly" to serve as an example. Perhaps this link will help familiarize folks with just how COMPLEX of an issue that UHC really is: Health Care Around the World
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Would you rather have the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (AKA "Obamacare) or have a system of UHC in this country?
    I'd like what works best. I didn't have that option on your poll. I'm a design engineer, so I'm always looking for what works best. So describe the functionality of the two systems, a bunch of details compared helps.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 07-17-12 at 12:12 PM.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, the world has that - they call it "Hong Kong".
    Hong Kong, like every other developed nation except us, has universal health care. In fact, it has one of the most top-down approaches anywhere in the world since it was modeled after the British NHS. The government actually owns most of the hospitals, rather than just coordinating insurance payments.
    Last edited by Kandahar; 07-17-12 at 12:43 PM.
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