View Poll Results: Would You Rather Have Obamacare or a System of UHC?

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one has proposed unlimited health care, only what every other industrialized nation on the planet has.


    "According to a Harris Poll of all industrial nations, Americans are the least satisfied with their health care.
    An economic overview of America's system is: 42 million people are not covered, the various health care plans place rigid limitations on which doctors and hospitals people can use, cost-saving measures are forcing patients out of hospital beds prematurely, administrative costs are approaching 25% of the health care dollar, managed care is generally structured such that physicians have incentives to cut costs and gain revenue by withholding care, and many Americans live in fear of losing whatever care they have.

    Our current system is based on the power of the insurance industry to stifle any challenges from alternatives. They advocate a competitive environment where they set the rules. These rules give us health care at a very high cost with unusually high profits going to the health care industry and massive salaries going to the associated executives.

    In contrast, the single payer system that Canada has used for the last 25 years has drastically simplified their administration costs. For instance, it takes more people to administer Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts that it does to administer the entire health care system of Canada. Before Canada implemented their national health program, their health costs were the same portion of their economy as in the U.S. After they implemented their program, their costs stabilized at 9% while U.S. costs have increased to 14%. They spend one tenth of what U.S. health care providers spend on overhead."


    Single Payer Health Care System
    Which is all meaningless when it is shown the crap that the Canadians have to put up with.
    Which of course is much better for those who are selfish and want everybody else to foot their bill.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Then what are the limits? Are you going to just let people die in the streets?
    Need I remind you again that the US healthcare system ranks much lower that 7 nations with UHC, at half the cost.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Which is all meaningless when it is shown the crap that the Canadians have to put up with.
    Which of course is much better for those who are selfish and want everybody else to foot their bill.
    I have not seen the Canadian effort to go back to our old school health care system, have you?
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have not seen the Canadian effort to go back to our old school health care system, have you?
    And why would you? You aren't looking for any opposition to it are you?

    Once people are dependent it would be like trying to take candy from a baby.
    Or did you already forget the lesson I provided?

    Today's lesson:

    The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever in the history of the program.

    Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please do not feed the animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.

    This ends today's lesson.

    But those systems are to much of a drain and are always trying to cut costs aren't they?

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And why would you? You aren't looking for any opposition to it are you?

    Once people are dependent it would be like trying to take candy from a baby.


    Yeah boy, once people get used to better health care at half the cost, its sure hard to get them to downgrade again. Amen brother!
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Need I remind you again that the US healthcare system ranks much lower that 7 nations with UHC, at half the cost.
    Don't dodge me. It either has limits or it doesn't. If it has limits, what are they? How do you implement any limits to people's entitlement to healthcare without giving people a ****ty answer?

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Don't dodge me. It either has limits or it doesn't. If it has limits, what are they? How do you implement any limits to people's entitlement to healthcare without giving people a ****ty answer?
    Limiting overhead and excessive profits! They are the limits that have been used by the rest of the industrialized world to cut their costs to half of ours.
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah boy, once people get used to better health care at half the cost, its sure hard to get them to downgrade again. Amen brother!
    The problem is, it isn't better health care over all.
    It is better only for those who couldn't provide for themselves.
    And you know it.

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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The problem is, it isn't better health care over all.
    It is better only for those who couldn't provide for themselves.
    And you know it.
    US Ranks Last in Health Care vs AUS, CAN, GER, NETH, NZ, UK

    "Among the seven nations studied—Australia, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States—the U.S. ranks last overall, as it did in the 2007, 2006, and 2004. Most troubling, the U.S. fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and as shown in the earlier editions, the U.S. is last on dimensions of access, patient safety, coordination, efficiency, and equity. The Netherlands ranks first, followed closely by the U.K. and Australia.”
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    Re: "Obamacare" or UHC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Limiting overhead and excessive profits!
    Are you drinking? You've already forgotten what we were talking about.

    Neo: We can't entitle people to limitless amounts of health care.
    Cat: No one said it would be limitless...
    Neo: Then what are the limits?
    Cat: Limits to PROFIT!!!
    Neo:

    Do you want people to have infinite, limitless health care that they don't have to pay for? If no, define the limit.

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