View Poll Results: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

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  • The Libertarian Party

    51 61.45%
  • The Green Party

    13 15.66%
  • The Constitution Party

    3 3.61%
  • The Justice Party

    1 1.20%
  • Other (please specify)

    15 18.07%
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    I would say that the best chance would be either libertarians or the Constitution party, as the core values of those two are such that a higher percentage of the population could agree with them. The greens are too single-issue. I'm not even familiar with the Justice Party at all.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by duhu View Post
    I have, for obvious reasons. Gary is on TV sometimes (Stossel, Stewart, etc), so he's had chances to capture audiences. If enough people wanted him to debate, he'd have been there.


    Please scroll up from where you posted the above and read this (literally, I am 2 posts above yours);

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061006704

    It's not that people do not want to hear third party voices, it's that the election commission refuses to let them speak.

    How much Ballot Access did the LP have in 2008? - http://www.lp.org/ballot-access

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/NEWS/...rties_ST_U.htm
    It is a quirk of American democracy: Your choices for president depend on which state you live in.

    For instance, voters in Colorado and New Mexico who do not want to vote for Mitt Romney or Barack Obama for president will have the option to vote for Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party, Libertarian Gary Johnson or several others -- but those candidates will not be on the ballot in neighboring Oklahoma.
    Last edited by Kr1ll1n; 10-11-12 at 11:37 AM.

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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kr1ll1n View Post
    Please scroll up and read this;

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061006704

    It's not that people do not want to hear third party voices, it's that the election commission refuses to let them speak.
    The commission refuses them because they do not have enough support. 2% - 6% doesn't cut it. It's not that they just simply won't allow anyone not D or R. Look at Ross Perot. It's been done before, and it can be done again. It's just rare.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by duhu View Post
    The commission refuses them because they do not have enough support. 2% - 6% doesn't cut it. It's not that they just simply won't allow anyone not D or R. Look at Ross Perot. It's been done before, and it can be done again. It's just rare.
    You know, Ross Perot is the reason why the put the restriction of 10%, purposefully to keep third party candidates out of it. Perot was crazy, but because he was allowed to participate and had so much money he could buy a lot of air time, he got over 10% of the popular vote. If someone who remotely made any sense was allowed to participate, they'd get more than that; and that is why the elections commission preemptively cut off further participation.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You know, Ross Perot is the reason why the put the restriction of 10%, purposefully to keep third party candidates out of it. Perot was crazy, but because he was allowed to participate and had so much money he could buy a lot of air time, he got over 10% of the popular vote. If someone who remotely made any sense was allowed to participate, they'd get more than that; and that is why the elections commission preemptively cut off further participation.
    I'm not saying you (or anyone else) is wrong, in fact for the most part, I agree that more candidates in the debates would be nice. I'm just trying to explain why they don't let them.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by duhu View Post
    The commission refuses them because they do not have enough support. 2% - 6% doesn't cut it. It's not that they just simply won't allow anyone not D or R. Look at Ross Perot. It's been done before, and it can be done again. It's just rare.
    The third party candidates don't have a lot of support, so they can't participate in debates. Since they don't participate in debates, most voters don't know who they are, so they don't have a lot of support.

    Sounds like a Catch 22 to me.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by duhu View Post
    The commission refuses them because they do not have enough support. 2% - 6% doesn't cut it. It's not that they just simply won't allow anyone not D or R. Look at Ross Perot. It's been done before, and it can be done again. It's just rare.
    I updated and edited my post.
    For 2008, when Badnarik was arrested, they had the following;

    Ballot Access: 45 states
    Write-In: 1 state
    Pending Status: 2 states
    Did not Qualify: 3 States

    You end up with 51 because of the District of Columbia having their own set of Ballot Access rules, and being counted as a separate entity.

    Long story short, 45 states wanted them on the ballot. Is that not enough for you to accept that something nefarious is going on with the Federal Election Commission?

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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by duhu View Post
    I'm not saying you (or anyone else) is wrong, in fact for the most part, I agree that more candidates in the debates would be nice. I'm just trying to explain why they don't let them.
    In most states, the requirement for a political party to have ballot access is in the range of thousands, to tens of thousands of signatures.

    If we round down the middle, and say an average of 5,000 signatures per state (some states much higher, some states lower), then at 45 confirmed states in 2008 for the LP you had roughly 225,000 citizens that supported having them on the ballot. I fail to see how people wanting them on the ballot means they don't want them to participate in a debate. If anything, supporting their ballot access shows they WANT to hear them debate.

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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by duhu View Post
    I'm not saying you (or anyone else) is wrong, in fact for the most part, I agree that more candidates in the debates would be nice. I'm just trying to explain why they don't let them.
    Yeah, but it's Catch-22 and that's purposefully set up. I understand that you cannot open the flood gates because if you get too many people, then you can't have a productive debate (also we no longer have productive debates, it's all a song and dance and nothing more). But I don't think the number should be capped at 2. They claim there is a way to have more than 2, but in practice that doesn't occur. I think 5 is a good number. 5 candidates by party popular vote.
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