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    51 61.45%
  • The Green Party

    13 15.66%
  • The Constitution Party

    3 3.61%
  • The Justice Party

    1 1.20%
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smart View Post
    In your opinion, what minor party has the best chance of becoming a major party nationwide or in at least three states?I believe that honor belongs to the Libertarian Party, largely because the Justice and Green parties haven't been very successful in recruiting Democrats to their parties.
    Libertarian probably yes... though the odds are slim anytime this half-century. I would say Constitution Party but social conservativism seems likely to dwindle to a distinct minority in the next 20 years, and the CP is pretty conservative socially. LP has some appeal to both conservatives and liberals, in that it is fiscally rather conservative but socially liberal, in a sense at least. But it will probably be a replacement of one party of the other and it probably won't occur in the next 20-30 years.

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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Libertarian probably yes... though the odds are slim anytime this half-century. I would say Constitution Party but social conservativism seems likely to dwindle to a distinct minority in the next 20 years, and the CP is pretty conservative socially. LP has some appeal to both conservatives and liberals, in that it is fiscally rather conservative but socially liberal, in a sense at least. But it will probably be a replacement of one party of the other and it probably won't occur in the next 20-30 years.
    The Death Penalty is dying. Wouldn't surprise me if only Texas and maybe 5 other states have it in 15 years.

    More and more people support non-conservative routes in Health Care.
    More and more people oppose the socially conservative monstrosity of the "War on Drugs"
    More and more people see no reason why prostitution should be illegal.
    More and more people support gay rights, including the right to marry.

    The only one they've made gains on is abortion.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smart View Post
    In your opinion, what minor party has the best chance of becoming a major party nationwide or in at least three states?

    I believe that honor belongs to the Libertarian Party, largely because the Justice and Green parties haven't been very successful in recruiting Democrats to their parties.
    I don't think any of them stand a chance anytime soon. I personally give to the Green party and will likely be voting Green in the upcoming election, but IF a third party were to become a major party, it would likely be the Libertarian party for the reason you stated.

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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smart View Post
    The Death Penalty is dying. Wouldn't surprise me if only Texas and maybe 5 other states have it in 15 years.

    More and more people support non-conservative routes in Health Care.
    More and more people oppose the socially conservative monstrosity of the "War on Drugs"
    More and more people see no reason why prostitution should be illegal.
    More and more people support gay rights, including the right to marry.

    The only one they've made gains on is abortion.

    Well, yes and no.

    A lot of people dont see a problem legalizing WEED.... but a majority still have a big problem with the LP notion of legalizing everything.

    Liberals don't like the LP's opposition to federal social programs. Conservatives don't like the LP's desire to abolish "morality laws", especially legalizing hard drugs.

    It is going to take a while for attitudes to change enough for the LP to become a major party... IF they ever do.

    Now "Libertarian Lite" could stand a MUCH better chance MUCH sooner.... but most libertarians won't compromise towards the middle enough to be considered "Libertarian Lite".

    This is why Ron Paul doesn't actually win in actual elections.... he takes things further than most people can accept.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    None. We will always have two parties in the US. Its our tradition. That's how our electoral system is set up to deter third parties.
    Yup. Its one of the flaws in the US's initial set up. The founders tried to stay away from parties in general, but their plan backfired on them big time.

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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Liberals don't like the LP's opposition to federal social programs. Conservatives don't like the LP's desire to abolish "morality laws", especially legalizing hard drugs.
    It doesn't matter what they like, it's what the People like. I think that if the system was open to actual political competition, the LP would already have much higher gains than it sits now (particularly on the local level) when artificially deprived from participation in the system. I don't know if it's "he takes things further than most people can accept" as much as it is "the major parties and the media portray him as taking things further than most people can accept". Ron Paul doesn't get a fair shake, and you know this.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, yes and no.

    A lot of people dont see a problem legalizing WEED.... but a majority still have a big problem with the LP notion of legalizing everything.

    Liberals don't like the LP's opposition to federal social programs. Conservatives don't like the LP's desire to abolish "morality laws", especially legalizing hard drugs.

    It is going to take a while for attitudes to change enough for the LP to become a major party... IF they ever do.

    Now "Libertarian Lite" could stand a MUCH better chance MUCH sooner.... but most libertarians won't compromise towards the middle enough to be considered "Libertarian Lite".

    This is why Ron Paul doesn't actually win in actual elections.... he takes things further than most people can accept.
    I will never compromise. I support legalizing all drugs.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Out of those, the libertarian party. I don't believe it ever will, nor do I really want it to, but they have the most loyal base.
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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smart View Post
    I will never compromise. I support legalizing all drugs.

    And there's the problem.


    I'm an ex-cop and I could care less if you legalize weed and cocaine, as long as the entire production chain is "brought into the light" to undercut the cartels and gangs.

    Crack and meth are just too damn toxic... no legal corp could produce and sell it, they'd have liability out the wazoo.

    Heroin is terribly addictive and can get debilitating for heavy users. LSD is a crap shoot as to whether you have a pleasant trip or burn out your brain like my cousin.

    And then there's BATH SALTS.... you know, the one people keep having violent psychotic breaks on, as bad or worse than PCP...


    And this typifies the problem with "absolutely no compromise Libertarians"..... Politics IS the "art of compromise". Without compromise you are left with dictatorship.

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    Re: What minor party has the best chance to become a major party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And there's the problem.


    I'm an ex-cop and I could care less if you legalize weed and cocaine, as long as the entire production chain is "brought into the light" to undercut the cartels and gangs.

    Crack and meth are just too damn toxic... no legal corp could produce and sell it, they'd have liability out the wazoo.

    Heroin is terribly addictive and can get debilitating for heavy users. LSD is a crap shoot as to whether you have a pleasant trip or burn out your brain like my cousin.

    And then there's BATH SALTS.... you know, the one people keep having violent psychotic breaks on, as bad or worse than PCP...


    And this typifies the problem with "absolutely no compromise Libertarians"..... Politics IS the "art of compromise". Without compromise you are left with dictatorship.
    Most people wouldn't do meth, heroin or bath salts if marijuana and cocaine were legal. I'm not saying heroin should be widely available, I'm just saying for a very high price people should be able to use it if they wish. If they become addicted, and want to receive treatment, then we will have treatment/rehab centers specifically catering to heroin addicts. Otherwise, let them die. It's their life, to enjoy or destroy.

    Compromise is not a good idea. I don't want anyone to compromise. I abhor neo-liberalism, but I don't want them to compromise with me. I want a full conversion or no conversion at all.

    Let's face it, if we had 20 LP Congressmen who could keep the R's and D's in check, Washington would work a lot better.

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