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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I personally think that would violate the 2nd Amendment. What do you think?
    Quite possibly. Maybe the 2nd Amendment is wrong though?

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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Make you're own bullets.. ?
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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Quite possibly. Maybe the 2nd Amendment is wrong though?
    If that is the case then the People should move to repeal the 2nd Amendment. I am not a fan of trying to "get around" the Constitution.

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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Make you're own bullets.. ?
    Some of us already do. In fact MANY of us do. Both for competition shooting and for self-defense.

    As to the idea of taxing the ammunition.... It's been discussed before, as have outright bans on different types of ammunition. In some places like Massachusetts there are partial or de facto bans. You can't buy ammo here unless you're a MA resident with a LTC or FID card. It's almost impossible to get ammunition shipped into this state if you're a private citizen and it's even difficult to get ammunition components from certain retailers at this point. Of course that just means we have to work smarter, not harder.

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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    If that is the case then the People should move to repeal the 2nd Amendment. I am not a fan of trying to "get around" the Constitution.
    That wasn't really my point. I was suggesting that "Is this Constitutional?" isn't the only relevant question; "Is this right?" is also key. The problem is that if the first answer is "no" but the second answer is "yes", you have a conclusion that many Americans seem unwilling to address.

    I'd suggest that the right to bear arms is restricted in all sorts of perfectly practical ways in the US, all of which could be easily argued as being unconstitutional. Do the principal you're arguing on even really exist any more? Would you maybe have a stronger argument if you made practical arguments against taxation on ammunition? I'm just saying that the scope of this kind of debate could be a little wider.

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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    The political climate isn't there for banning guns. Americans of most political persuasions support responsible gun ownership. However, it might be possible for a backdoor ban. If they taxed the crap out ammunition, making it extremely expensive, that would effectively make gun ownership a rich person's privilege. I personally think that would violate the 2nd Amendment. What do you think?
    I think you might get more honest answers if you asked if it would be a violation 1st amendment violation to tax the hell out of religious books, paper,printers, newspapers and so on.
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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think you might get more honest answers if you asked if it would be a violation 1st amendment violation to tax the hell out of religious books, paper,printers, newspapers and so on.
    I think the general principle applies regardless of which constitutional right is at stake. IMO it's fine to have some regulations if they serve a legitimate purpose (e.g. background checks for guns, public safety limitations for free speech)...the problem is when the regulations serve no legitimate purpose and only make it more difficult for people to exercise their rights. This is why I would oppose things like a punitive tax on ammo, it's why I oppose voter ID laws, and it's why I oppose draconian rules on abortion clinics (e.g. they have to be affiliated with a local hospital). These things are all just an indirect way of making it difficult for people to exercise their rights without serving any legitimate purpose, and should be considered unconstitutional for the same reasons that an outright ban would be.
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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Biggest difference between FDR's tax on automatic weapons and a tax on bullets is there was soooo little demand for the tommy gun among the blue collar folks the high retail price was already putting it out of reach, that and the nasty depression thing making just keeping the family fed a higher priority than a streetsweeper he would never use. Good try though...

    Bullets are another issue, lets try and focus....

    it does make a good topic to bring out the chest puffing and ranting, good for stirring the pot and getting the usual suspects out to chant... "We'll flay 'em alive iff'n they try that on MY watch!"

    I see any loose talk of taxes on bullets as am attempt to push panic buying at a bigger profit.

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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Quite possibly. Maybe the 2nd Amendment is wrong though?
    I refer you to what James had said.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think you might get more honest answers if you asked if it would be a violation 1st amendment violation to tax the hell out of religious books, paper,printers, newspapers and so on.
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    Re: Too high taxes on ammo -- 2nd Amendment violation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    The political climate isn't there for banning guns. Americans of most political persuasions support responsible gun ownership. However, it might be possible for a backdoor ban. If they taxed the crap out ammunition, making it extremely expensive, that would effectively make gun ownership a rich person's privilege. I personally think that would violate the 2nd Amendment. What do you think?
    That is how machine guns and other weapons were banned. They did not actually outlaw ownership. Rather, they imposed a MASSIVE tax of $250 each - a sum equating thousands of dollars in today's dollar.

    The Zimmerman case is another example of attempting to backdoor outlawing guns. If they can't outlaw guns they'll declare it murder to ever use one in self defense. If they can't get the political backing to outlaw guns, they'll outlaw using one.

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