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The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
GARY JOHNSON 2016
And if the founders were here today, they would realize that the group they privileged was probably the least able to put the needs of the nation above their own, given the fact that they are, populationally, the group most responsible for practically destroying the nation's well being in recent times.
Last edited by choiceone; 07-21-12 at 05:38 AM.
If, when defending your support for Donald Trump, and your response is,
"But but but... HILLARY!!!", then you lost the argument before you even began.
First we need to know if "rights" exist. They don't, since they're just created hypothetical structures. "Rights" exist just as much as "justice" does.
Since we know they're not rights, we realize that we're basically animals that believe in power, structure, in order to survive. Since we're like a herd, power does matter, and voting is therefore a "privilege." Voting has bee suspended, iirc, a few times throughout history.
I see the thread is mainly about denial of access to the polls. I don't see anything in the constitution on banning people from voting, including those who are incarcerated, although I'd personally prefer to see anyone who commits felonies banned from voting at least as long as they're in prison at a minimum.
Last edited by Smeagol; 07-23-12 at 05:12 PM.
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Well, the Constitution doesn't explicit prohibit banning certain people from voting...but I think it's fairly easy to logically infer that from the text. Article IV guarantees all states a "republican form of government" which would seem to necessitate regular state elections, Article I explicitly says that the House of Representatives is to be elected by the people, and Amendment 17 explicitly says that the Senate is to be elected by the people.
So there's no question that elections and voting are absolutely required by the US Constitution, both for state and federal offices. If we all agree on that principle, then it's just a question of whether voting rights can be taken away from certain people while still maintaining a "republican form of government" and whether disenfranchising certain people means that various officeholders were truly "elected by the people" as the Constitution demands. It would seem to me that the guarantee in Amendment 14 of "equal protection under the law" would be violated if some adult citizens were allowed to vote and others were not.
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From the United States Constitution:
14th Amendment: "But when the right to vote at any election..."
15th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
16th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
24th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
26th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote..."
I am having an incredibly tough time figuring out how the United States could consider voting a privilege when it is explicitly defined as a right in FIVE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS. Not even gun rights get that much attention.
Its a right that is guaranteed to you once you reach the age of 18.
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