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Thread: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    The few true live off the land, off the grid, completely self sufficient types I have known have all been left wing hippie / crunchy types.
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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    To be clear, frontier is always the next place people are exploring.

    For example, Wall Street used to be New Amsterdam, and the pilgrims were at one time frontiersmen...

    ...pilgrims who were persecuted all the same by central authorities back home.
    today's frontiers are done with massive group effort...think outer space, deep ocean....
    the one I can think of that has benefitted from strong individuals relatel to mankind's treatment of his own kind....
    Nelson Manela, Mother Teresa, Ghandi, etc.
    The USA is too full of selfish individualists to be a source of rugged individualists...
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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It originally was a liberal idea and tendency, but as the American style of liberalism has become dominant, and true liberalism has fallen by the wayside, conservatives are more likely to support the idea of rugged individualism these days.

    Please define each of the Styles of Liberalism that you are thinking about.

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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    Lizzie's talking about classic liberalism based on labor theory of value. Jacksonian Democracy encouraged manifest destiny too.

    You could even go back to the Protestant Reformation where total depravity pressured people to perform good works.

    (Liberals usually appreciate the PR for its spread of universal literacy and meritocracy.)

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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sure, until they need to appease their fairy tale gods and want to impose their moral beliefs on the individual.


    By definition, Conservatives favor the "make no law" approach to governing.

    That the religious right is a part of the Republican Coalition does nothing to make central governmental control of a person's gentalia any less Liberal than does the assertion that Central Governmental control of anything is any less Liberal.

    If you seek the limit of personal freedom in favor of the control of peoples' lives by a central authority, you are espousing liberalism.

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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    By definition, Conservatives favor the "make no law" approach to governing.

    That the religious right is a part of the Republican Coalition does nothing to make central governmental control of a person's gentalia any less Liberal than does the assertion that Central Governmental control of anything is any less Liberal.

    If you seek the limit of personal freedom in favor of the control of peoples' lives by a central authority, you are espousing liberalism.
    Oh I get it - social conservatives are really liberals. Good luck with that belief in the forum champ.
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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    Yea, I'm not sure code1211 has heard of "compassionate conservatism".

    He's a perfect example of how the Rockefeller Republican GOP establishment has turned things inside out.

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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Land versus capital isn't a political issue?
    That's you putting words in my mouth. Again.
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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    I see terms like compassionate conservative, rugged individual, clean coal, good wars as self stroking nonsense.

    Teamwork carries the day, not individuals. Groups, not lone wolves tamed the west, defeated Nazi totalitarianism, held back the Red Tide and now looks into space. Individuals can do finite forays into the 'unknown' but only a team, read civilization, can keep him there and take him back in when health or climate becomes an issue.

    I believe the discussion about Teddy is off topic and the complaint about him off target. Typical rant against someone doing something to stop run away capitalism, in this case from ruining the frontier as Teddy saw it... if the reformer doesn't have equal success in all areas that needed reform he is attacked as showing favoritism in the areas he didn't win solid reforms in. He made a priority list and went at it. Much of his reforms came outside of 'trust-busting'. He created signed the Pure Drug and Food Act, federal meat inspections and proper labeling, reformed NYC police dept, helped unions establish better wages and conditions.

    Overall Teddy wasn't a traditional let big business run big business, they know best republican...

    Does that make him a compassionate conservative, or a RiNO?

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    Re: Rugged Individualism: Liberal or Conservative

    Progressive regulations only further divide people into individuals by letting them succumb to workaholic industrialism.

    For example, in light of Teddy's foodstuffs regulations, today's society has an obesity epidemic, does "busy work" for crazy hours, commutes forever, and gets weak vacation time.

    When you regulate industry, you make it unnecessary for people to actually talk in relating supply with demand. What we need to do is social regulation by graduating children as adults rather than graduating adult children who are socially awkward.

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