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    should we gut welfare reform?

    The welfare reform of the 90's was one of our few, recent, bi-partisan true success stories. Millions of people were lifted out of poverty. According to the Brookings institute, for example:

    ...Between 1994 and 2004, the caseload declined about 60 percent, a decline that is without precedent. The percentage of U.S. children on welfare is now lower than it has been since at least 1970.

    But are the mothers who leave (oravoid) welfare able to find work? More than 40 studies conducted by states since 1996 show that about 60 percent of the adults leaving welfare are employed at any given moment and that, over a period of several months, about 80 percent hold at least one job. Even more impressive, national data from the Census Bureau show that between 1993 and 2000, the percentage of low-income, single mothers with a job grew from 58 percent to nearly 75 percent, an increase of almost 30 percent. Moreover, employment among never-married mothers, the most disadvantaged and least-educated subgroup of single mothers, grew from 44 percent to 66 percent, an increase of 50 percent, over the same period. Again, these sweeping changes are unprecedented...

    [later edit] HAH - I was going to fast and accidentally voted wrong in my own poll!
    Last edited by cpwill; 07-13-12 at 07:52 PM.

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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Why would it be a good idea to "gut welfare reform" now???


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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The welfare reform of the 90's was one of our few, recent, bi-partisan true success stories. Millions of people were lifted out of poverty. According to the Brookings institute, for example:




    [later edit] HAH - I was going to fast and accidentally voted wrong in my own poll!
    No. But we need to "clean it up." When link cards can be used in casino's . . . when people are buying diapers and selling them to their neighbors off their link cards . . . and, I'm sure, a host of other fraudulent uses, too many people are getting aid.
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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why would it be a good idea to "gut welfare reform" now???
    beats me. but people want to take it back to how it used to be, when millions more were impoverished.

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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Regardless of one's views on the subject of welfare, we should all be alarmed at the administration's attempt to do so administratively instead of legislatively. The President is upsettling the democratic system of checks and balances. No one can approve such extra-constitutional actions.

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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    beats me.
    Ok? But we should do it?

    but people want to take it back to how it used to be, when millions more were impoverished.
    How would that at all be a good thing?


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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why would it be a good idea to "gut welfare reform" now???
    It would not be a good idea, but it is starting to happen apparently.

    Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform with quiet policy change | Fox News

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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    It would not be a good idea, but it is starting to happen apparently.

    Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform with quiet policy change | Fox News
    Unfortunately it happened a while ago under Reagan then under Clinton to another extent, now it seems its going to be more gutted soon, and more and more people will suffer from these decisions.


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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    It would not be a good idea, but it is starting to happen apparently.

    Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform with quiet policy change | Fox News
    Hyperbole and spin. From the article:

    The latest department directive suggested alternative plans could "combine learning and work" to fulfill the work requirement, or let "vocational educational training or job search /readiness programs" count as well.
    This directive allows states to submit alternative plans to the work requirements -- for example, allowing schooling to satisfy such requirements. "Gutted," indeed. Must everything be met with apocalyptic caterwauling?

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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How would that at all be a good thing?
    well, if I were a cynic, I would ask who would benefit from increasing the number of people dependent upon government handouts...

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