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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Probably 0.1 %, but the conservative media/press assures that we know all about these incidents...
    IMO, welfare has been constantly improved, but this should never stop...
    So, in your opinion, allowing 12% to 15% of the population to be forever supported by tax money taken from those that work is a good thing? Welfare has not been improved, or has the out of wedlock childbirth rate, or the poverty rate. Welfare is simply a reward for failure, to "qualify" requires low/no income and a baby. That is insane.
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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Welfare should always exist as a safety net for those whom circumstances has truly dealt misfortune. And we must accept there will always be a small percentage that try and abuse it. The point would be to not allow anyone on Welfare to live at a comfort level equal to someone who works. That would mean corporate America should pay employees better and government should give less, there is a compromise without destroying Welfare or overtaxing businesses.
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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    All "reform" did was undercut wages
    Force people into crime to get by, (they are more profitable in prison)

    When you cant even buy TP to wipe your behind. you know that "reform" is a total failure.

    We need a safety net that includes.
    Cash
    Food
    transportation
    A home
    retraining paid by employer that 100% leads to a job

    Germany makes it work.......

    Then of course there is the Corporate welfare that saved AIG for $180B........
    The oil corps for more billions
    $2B airplanes......
    They can afford a bus ticket to go buy food with the welfare THEY get........
    Last edited by 274ina; 07-15-12 at 05:16 PM.

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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Germany makes it work.......
    Germany is also heading towards a third bankruptcy.
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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Germany is also heading towards a third bankruptcy.
    Yes AND???

    Germany does not have millions living in squalor.
    Germany does not have massive copper theft.

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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Yes AND???
    And it's obvious that they're doing it wrong.
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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, if I were a cynic, I would ask who would benefit from increasing the number of people dependent upon government handouts...
    the impoverished.


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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    the impoverished.
    At the expense of the working class.
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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    At the expense of the working class.
    At the expense of everyone. Hence everyone pays some sort of tax. Even the working class gets some sort of services from the government. Everyone gets some sort of services from the government.


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    Re: should we gut welfare reform?

    My 2 cents.

    I was on foodstamps until recently. VERY recently actually. I was a stay at home dad because the price of childcare was equal to or more than what I would get back in net pay per pay check at the jobs that I qualified for at the time. I stayed a stay at home dad for 7 years. Until my youngest could go to at least kindergarten. Now I have a job. I raised our income by a little over double what it was. When all is said and done I will actually be bringing in slightly less than what we were getting in foodstamps.

    You all keep reducing the incentive to make better wages down to money. Well, I'm here to tell you that there are more reasons to want to get off welfare than simply money. You all seem to think that everyone only lives for the money. They don't. I wanted a job to achieve something. I wanted a job for that self satisfaction I get whenever I get a paycheck which I EARNED. I wanted to see the look on my wifes face when I brought that paycheck home. The proud look. And the hopeful look. The look that indicates that she thinks there are better times ahead. I want to see the look on my kid's face when I come home from work each day. The joy. Feel the big hugs that they give me. None of that is possible while on food stamps. It is with me having a job.

    So yeah, go ahead and keep on reducing everyone to monetary equations. But I have to say...you're missing out if you think that is all that people are about.
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