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Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

Should the statue stay up?

  • Yes. He is a legend in football and it needs to stay up.

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • No. It is a reminder of a permanent scar at Penn State, regardless of football.

    Votes: 25 89.3%

  • Total voters
    28
So you are gonna strip him of the last good thing that is left to his name? Forgiveness, my friend. His image is forever marred by what he has done. He is paying post-mortem prices now, both secular (and if you believe) spiritually. Let him be. Leave the statue, remember his legendary coaching career, but never forget what he did/

Using your logic they should also erect a statue to Sandusky, who was a phenomenal defensive coach. Oh, yeah, he raped children, but let's separate that from the fact that he had a successful coaching career. :roll:
 
You are misrepresenting my quote if that's what you think it tries to imply. I agree that it was a personal flaw on Paterno's part, but that personal flaw allowed for the sexual abuse of children which is serious. The decision to murder someone else stems from a personal flaw, should a murderer be allowed to go free because the truth was out that they killed someone? What about if someone just witnessed serial killings but never said a word about it because it might compromise their image or the image of their company? Paterno deserves no honor for his coaching. He may have been good at coaching, but he put his team's image and coaching staff (Sandusky) above the well being of children and turned a blind eye to kids being sexually violated, that is dishonorable and in my opinion violates any kind of honorable merit that he may be entitled to due to him being able to coach well.

Trust me, I understand where you're coming from. And no, I didn't take your quote that literally. Obviously a murderer should not be set free and, if he were still alive, Paterno ought not be physically set free. I'd be the biggest supporter of a prison sentence for him. he would deserve whatever punishment he were given.
 
Using your logic they should also erect a statue to Sandusky, who was a phenomenal defensive coach. Oh, yeah, he raped children, but let's separate that from the fact that he had a successful coaching career. :roll:

If they wanted to erect a new statue, I'd say no. But, it's already there; leave it there
 
Trust me, I understand where you're coming from. And no, I didn't take your quote that literally. Obviously a murderer should not be set free and, if he were still alive, Paterno ought not be physically set free. I'd be the biggest supporter of a prison sentence for him. he would deserve whatever punishment he were given.

Why then, should his dishonorable coaching career that essentially facilitated child rape be honored with a statue? It would be like erecting a statue to Benedict Arnold honoring his service to the Continental army during the Revolutionary War even though he became a traitor and sided with the British.
 
Why then, should his dishonorable coaching career that essentially facilitated child rape be honored with a statue? It would be like erecting a statue to Benedict Arnold honoring his service to the Continental army during the Revolutionary War even though he became a traitor and sided with the British.

Because, he led his team better than any other coach in the NCAA
 
I understand fully what he did and when it happened. That shouldn't strip him of his on field success

His onfield success was created by his offield actions. His recruiting, his training, and so on. One thing he did as part of his role as coach of the team was facilitate a man's ability to rather disgustingly molest(and that is putting it so mildly, the report on his actions was incredibly painful and I had to stop reading it very early) young children.
 
Because, he led his team better than any other coach in the NCAA

But he put that team above the well being of children and allowed children to be molested in order to protect one of his team's coaching staff. I would say it's similar to honoring an athlete for excellent performance but then later finding out that they used steroids. It's not the same scenario or equivalent (I think what Paterno did is worse), but it's just an illustration for argument's sake.
 
I understand fully what he did and when it happened. That shouldn't strip him of his on field success

lol, like someone mentioned earlier, when you going to start collecting for the Sandusky statue
 
His onfield success was created by his offield actions. His recruiting, his training, and so on. One thing he did as part of his role as coach of the team was facilitate a man's ability to rather disgustingly molest(and that is putting it so mildly, the report on his actions was incredibly painful and I had to stop reading it very early) young children.

Okay. His offield actions were awful and despicable. That is hardly a matter of opinion. He should not receive this much attention for turning a blind eye. I'm pretty sure the punishment for facilitation is much less than actually doing
 
Because, he led his team better than any other coach in the NCAA

I think most of us here think that there are things more important than football. Allowing some one to rape children is more important that football. The fact that he let this happen so that it would not affect the football team, that makes it just that much worse. Stop and think about that. He let a man rape little kids so he could keep winning football games.
 
Okay. His offield actions were awful and despicable. That is hardly a matter of opinion. He should not receive this much attention for turning a blind eye. I'm pretty sure the punishment for facilitation is much less than actually doing

He knowingly allowed Sandusky to be in a position where he could do what he did to those kids. Her permitted it by weighing his belief that it's best to ignore it instead of firing one of his staff and potentially harming the image of his team. He facilitated the molestation and directly allowed for it to happen by keeping Sandusky in that position.
 
lol, like someone mentioned earlier, when you going to start collecting for the Sandusky statue

Why have a statue for Sandusky put up NOW? The statue is existing and is for memorial of his onfield coaching career. I would never raise a new statue of him now
 
Okay. His offield actions were awful and despicable. That is hardly a matter of opinion. He should not receive this much attention for turning a blind eye. I'm pretty sure the punishment for facilitation is much less than actually doing

Absolutely he should recieve this much attention for turning a blind eye. He turned a blind eye to a man raping little kids. There is no excuse.
 
He knowingly allowed Sandusky to be in a position where he could do what he did to those kids. Her permitted it, facilitated it and directly allowed for it to happen by keeping Sandusky in that position.

Yes... and people have done all of those for serial killers and have gotten much lighter sentences. Sandusky isn't getting half of the limelight of Joe
 
Yes... and people have done all of those for serial killers and have gotten much lighter sentences. Sandusky isn't getting half of the limelight of Joe

I'm not aware of any convicted serial killers that got off lighter than Jo. Jo Paterno is in the spotlight largely because Sandusky has already been tried and found guilty. We know that Paterno knew about these things and covered them up. He should be in the limelight and although he didn't directly molest kids, he bears some of the responsibility for it.
 
I'm not aware of any convicted serial killers that got off lighter than Jo. Jo Paterno is in the spotlight largely because Sandusky has already been tried and found guilty. We know that Paterno knew about these things and covered them up. He should be in the limelight and although he didn't directly molest kids, he bears some of the responsibility for it.

I didn't say serial killers. People who aid crimes get off with a lesser charge.
 
Let's start a DP fund for "TheLastIndependent's Casey Anthony Memorial Day Care." :shrug:
 
Let's start a DP fund for "TheLastIndependent's Casey Anthony Memorial Day Care." :shrug:

I believe you are trying to paint me as heartless. It is not so. I am just forgiving and justice stops at justice. Removing the statue doesn't really do anything
 
I believe you are trying to paint me as heartless. It is not so. I am just forgiving and justice stops at justice. Removing the statue doesn't really do anything

Makes sure those families never have to walk by someone's statue who allowed their child to be abused.
 
Makes sure those families never have to walk by someone's statue who allowed their child to be abused.

So they'll just walk by an empty spot and still remember the statue? Either way it's painted in memories, removing it will not erase.
 
Let's start a DP fund for "TheLastIndependent's Casey Anthony Memorial Day Care." :shrug:

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Do not do this. The topic is not other posters, but Joe Paterno and his statue.
 
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