View Poll Results: Should the statue stay up?

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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    The truth would've been going to the police and saying "hey, I think some of my administration is abusing children."
    That would be honesty, the truth is out. Let him be, let him be remebered, scowl at his downfalls, celebrate the good he did
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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    False. His coaching happened on the field. He was not the coach of those boys. He was the coach of the young men that brought him the stature that he once had as coach.
    And he allowed the abuse to occur while he was coaching...
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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    They're personal in that it was a personal flaw. Your thing under "global moderator" says "Truth will set you free". He didn't give us the truth, but it is there; let him be free
    You are misrepresenting my quote if that's what you think it tries to imply. I agree that it was a personal flaw on Paterno's part, but that personal flaw allowed for the sexual abuse of children which is serious. The decision to murder someone else stems from a personal flaw, should a murderer be allowed to go free because the truth was out that they killed someone? What about if someone just witnessed serial killings but never said a word about it because it might compromise their image or the image of their company? Paterno deserves no honor for his coaching. He may have been good at coaching, but he put his team's image and coaching staff (Sandusky) above the well being of children and turned a blind eye to kids being sexually violated, that is dishonorable and in my opinion violates any kind of honorable merit that he may be entitled to due to him being able to coach well.
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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    And he allowed the abuse to occur while he was coaching...
    Okay. He was Coach Paterno when he was on the field coaching, he was Joe Paterno when he allowed it to happen. Bash Joe, remember Coach
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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    So you are gonna strip him of the last good thing that is left to his name? Forgiveness, my friend. His image is forever marred by what he has done. He is paying post-mortem prices now, both secular (and if you believe) spiritually. Let him be. Leave the statue, remember his legendary coaching career, but never forget what he did/
    Part of his coaching carreer was that he let this happen.
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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    So you are gonna strip him of the last good thing that is left to his name? Forgiveness, my friend. His image is forever marred by what he has done. He is paying post-mortem prices now, both secular (and if you believe) spiritually. Let him be. Leave the statue, remember his legendary coaching career, but never forget what he did/
    Using your logic they should also erect a statue to Sandusky, who was a phenomenal defensive coach. Oh, yeah, he raped children, but let's separate that from the fact that he had a successful coaching career.

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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    So you are gonna strip him of the last good thing that is left to his name?
    ahh, bro, he basically facilitated child rape. The old geezer can go spin on a d*ck

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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You are misrepresenting my quote if that's what you think it tries to imply. I agree that it was a personal flaw on Paterno's part, but that personal flaw allowed for the sexual abuse of children which is serious. The decision to murder someone else stems from a personal flaw, should a murderer be allowed to go free because the truth was out that they killed someone? What about if someone just witnessed serial killings but never said a word about it because it might compromise their image or the image of their company? Paterno deserves no honor for his coaching. He may have been good at coaching, but he put his team's image and coaching staff (Sandusky) above the well being of children and turned a blind eye to kids being sexually violated, that is dishonorable and in my opinion violates any kind of honorable merit that he may be entitled to due to him being able to coach well.
    Trust me, I understand where you're coming from. And no, I didn't take your quote that literally. Obviously a murderer should not be set free and, if he were still alive, Paterno ought not be physically set free. I'd be the biggest supporter of a prison sentence for him. he would deserve whatever punishment he were given.
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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Using your logic they should also erect a statue to Sandusky, who was a phenomenal defensive coach. Oh, yeah, he raped children, but let's separate that from the fact that he had a successful coaching career.
    If they wanted to erect a new statue, I'd say no. But, it's already there; leave it there
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    Re: Poll: Should the JoePa statue remain up?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Trust me, I understand where you're coming from. And no, I didn't take your quote that literally. Obviously a murderer should not be set free and, if he were still alive, Paterno ought not be physically set free. I'd be the biggest supporter of a prison sentence for him. he would deserve whatever punishment he were given.
    Why then, should his dishonorable coaching career that essentially facilitated child rape be honored with a statue? It would be like erecting a statue to Benedict Arnold honoring his service to the Continental army during the Revolutionary War even though he became a traitor and sided with the British.
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