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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This link is also posted in the immigration forum, but that thread is intended for the immigration aspects. This thread and poll is intended for a different sub-topic that is contained within the story. I have also seen this sub-topic mentioned in other news stories as well, so it's not exactly a rare issue.

    Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?


    The question isn't how things are done now. We may be doing them correct, or we may be doing them incorrect. The question is: What do YOU think should apply to non-citizens regarding specifically Constitutional rights and protections?

    Should something like the 1st Amendment right to free speech and expression apply to non-citizens (who are in this country)?
    No need to Mirandize an attacking enemy, or offer them any other rights. Think of what "rights" the 9/11 morons SHOULD be entitled to. Think of what rights an illegal alien acting as a human trafficker SHOULD have. How do you Mirandize a crazed foreigner that speaks no English and is screaming about Allah and rigged for detonation?
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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This link is also posted in the immigration forum, but that thread is intended for the immigration aspects. This thread and poll is intended for a different sub-topic that is contained within the story. I have also seen this sub-topic mentioned in other news stories as well, so it's not exactly a rare issue.

    Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?


    The question isn't how things are done now. We may be doing them correct, or we may be doing them incorrect. The question is: What do YOU think should apply to non-citizens regarding specifically Constitutional rights and protections?

    Should something like the 1st Amendment right to free speech and expression apply to non-citizens (who are in this country)?
    Constitutional rights should not be extended to non-citizens.We open the door for groups ran or owned by non-citizens to contribute to political campaigns, voting to non-citizens, paying for the lawyers of illegals facing deportations and so on.
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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Constitutional rights should not be extended to non-citizens.We open the door for groups ran or owned by non-citizens to contribute to political campaigns, voting to non-citizens, paying for the lawyers of illegals facing deportations and so on.
    I find it shocking that anyone trying to claim the mantle of promoting "small government" could ever hold this ridiculous opinion. So, my buddy comes and visits from Canada and you think he shouldn't have any rights?
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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Any rights granted to foreign nationals on US soil is done at the pleasure of the US Government, not enforced by the US Constitution.
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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I find it shocking that anyone trying to claim the mantle of promoting "small government" could ever hold this ridiculous opinion. So, my buddy comes and visits from Canada and you think he shouldn't have any rights?
    So you think your buddy should be allowed to vote in our elections, donate to political campaigns, buy firearms, and so on?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Constitutional rights should not be extended to non-citizens.We open the door for groups ran or owned by non-citizens to contribute to political campaigns, voting to non-citizens, paying for the lawyers of illegals facing deportations and so on.
    Non-citzens in the country LEGALLY like tourists, diplomats, temporary workers and students should receive complete constitutional protection as they are under the jurisdiction of the U.S., ILLEGAL aliens, however, should receive nothing but a quick deporation, with no tax funded legal representation at a hearing.
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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Yes, of course they should - to people who are here as a guest, a visitor, a green card worker....but to a "illegal" immigrant ?
    This must be fixed....We need a much better Congress...Is this not their job ????

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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Non-citzens in the country LEGALLY like tourists, diplomats, temporary workers and students should receive complete constitutional protection as they are under the jurisdiction of the U.S., ILLEGAL aliens, however, should receive nothing but a quick deporation, with no tax funded legal representation at a hearing.
    Actually, any lawbreaker has constitutional rights. However, once convicted, then liberty is gone, and the perp gets to take the punishment that the law imposes. In the case of illegals, that punishment is deportation.

    What the illegals don't have is the right to be in our country in the first place.
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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Well, for example, if the 1st amendment applied to non-citizens, wouldn't we be obligated to enforce that throughout the world?
    It should be called rights and responsibilities. You can't grant rights for others, but you ahve a responsibility to follow your laws. This comes into play when we think we can treat forgien nationals differently that our laws dictate. Our Laws govern our behavior as well as our rights. I think many miss this. I'm also not sure where this answer fits in this poll.

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    Re: Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

    Our rights are inalienable. They do no originate from the Constitution.
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