View Poll Results: What is (are) the best way(s) to eliminate the deficit?

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  • A balanced budget amendment

    24 24.74%
  • A line item veto amenndment

    17 17.53%
  • replace income tx with a national retail sales tax

    10 10.31%
  • Raise taxes on the rich

    40 41.24%
  • Raise taxes on the middle-class

    7 7.22%
  • Raise taxes stealthily in the form of fees, a federal lottery, etc.

    4 4.12%
  • Nationalize oil and natural gas on federal land and get into the enegry business like Saudi Arabia

    11 11.34%
  • Cut federal spending

    66 68.04%
  • Sell services to prizate industry at a profit, privatize then tax them

    4 4.12%
  • other

    26 26.80%
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Any solution that ignores ecology is short sighted and unsustainable.


    Ignoring something and being absolutely enslaved by it are two very different things.

    Do you find it at ironic that people in New York City who have paved a pretty sizable part of the world with concrete and pollute it daily with chemicals, waste, garbage and soot are dead set against drilling for oil in an area of Alaska that is about the size of a good size football stadium and adjacent parking? They can somehow justify the absolute rape and brutal murder of their own part of the world and cannot tolerate the comparative scratch in another part of the world.

    Anyway, your individual share of the national debt is about $51,000 and rising like a rocket on the 4th of July. The policies of our national government is to increase this and not pay for it.

    How much fun do you want to charge in the national credit card that your children and grandchildren will have to pay back from their own suffering?

    Right now, this country has the cleanest air and water that it has enjoyed since WW2. Just how clean is clean enough?

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    For every good purpose you can show for the POTUS having line item veto power I could show 5 that would show why it wouldn't be good. Line item veto would swing the power to the Executive Branch and make what is an already power heavy branch even more powerful. Imagine President Obama with the power to veto out of every bill what he doesn't like, write these "Executive Orders", and make recess appointments whenever he wants. Imagine ANY POTUS with that power! Sadly, he already has executed his privilege on two of those. I don't agree with any POTUS being able to write the type of Executive Orders he and President Bush have written.


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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Ignoring something and being absolutely enslaved by it are two very different things.
    What policy enslaves to take care of the environment we all depend on for our livelihood?

    Do you find it at ironic that people in New York City who have paved a pretty sizable part of the world with concrete and pollute it daily with chemicals, waste, garbage and soot are dead set against drilling for oil in an area of Alaska that is about the size of a good size football stadium and adjacent parking? They can somehow justify the absolute rape and brutal murder of their own part of the world and cannot tolerate the comparative scratch in another part of the world.
    It is not just NYC that thinks despoiling a national treasure for an insignificant amount of oil is stupid. See McCain's comments when he voted against drilling in ANWR.

    Anyway, your individual share of the national debt is about $51,000 and rising like a rocket on the 4th of July. The policies of our national government is to increase this and not pay for it.
    One party has suggested cutting spending $2.50 for every $1 increase in revenue. The other party has proposed increasing military spending and tax cuts for the rich. We each get to decide which plan will create more debt.
    How much fun do you want to charge in the national credit card that your children and grandchildren will have to pay back from their own suffering?
    That's why I'm proud that the majority of my party voted against the optional war in Iraq.
    Right now, this country has the cleanest air and water that it has enjoyed since WW2.
    Because of health and environmental regulations that the GOP wants to undo.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    If CO2 causes the climate's temperature to increase and it is the one driving factor that overpowers all else, this should be an easy proposition to prove.

    Do so.
    A consensus in science is reached when a scientific theory is no longer challenged scientifically. In that regard, there has not been a single science academy in the world that has held a dissenting view of AGW since 2007.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to an independent tribunal prior to Bush's invasion of Afghanistan. Bush refused. At that point we had no further legal claim on the man. Bush was certainly not interested in him.
    that's a nice strawman. [...]
    How so?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    but seriously how do you account for the fact that your idiotic plan leaves us no ability to engage in foreign affairs outside of ICBMs?
    Interesting... you think that foreign policy (foreign affairs) involves weapons? Would the cpwill State Department negotiate international issues with the decree -- 'do what we tell you to, or we'll kill you'?

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, I am not a fan of Ron Paul. His foreign policy, like yours, is naive beyond all measuring. It's Kellog-Briand level naive.

    But no, we did not invade Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom asked us to come defend them after Iraq invaded Kuwait, and they have sought our assistance ever since as a bulwark against Iran.
    Actually the despotic rulers of 'The Kingdom' asked us. If you asked the people there, they might have a different invitation for us (like, GTFO). If Saddam Hussein had asked us to defend them after Iran invaded them, would we have helped?

    Oh -- never mind... we did

    However, the question was rhetorical... I didn't really care if you knew the answer, for informed people did, and those are who my posts are most often directed at. Your answer only served to magnify the duplicity of your argument (you know bin Laden's main gripe -- U.S. troops in Muslim lands -- but pretended not to, and now still pretend not to, since it undermines your position). You shouldn't have taken the bait . . . . .

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Relinquishing your freedoms and rights is the first step in becoming a Liberal.
    Is that why so many liberals popped up after Patriot Acts I & II were signed by GWB???
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Any solution that ignores ecology is short sighted and unsustainable.
    I realize you are just one person but do you think you could convince the rest of your liberal friends that nuclear power is the best way to meet our energy and ecological needs at the same time? We have only had 3 nuclear disasters in 40 years of the industry, and two of them lead to no loss of life. Chernobyl on the other hand, was handled by idiots who did not put a containment structure around the reactor. All reactors now have containment structures. Sure waste is a problem when it comes to nuclear power, but building containment facilities is still an enormous improvement over green house gas emissions. Not to mention the unlimited amount of cheap electricity we could generate from a large expansion of nuclear power could be an enormous catalyst for a booming electrical car industry, further reducing oil consumption.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    We need to return to gayer, happier times...the euphoria of winning the war (1945)...but what since ???
    Is it any wonder ??
    I do not think the libs nor the cons have the answer...
    An answer, IMO, is NOT war, but peace.
    Building, not destroying.
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    No to the KKK and NRA.
    Yes to our nation "growing up", learning respect and tolerance..

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I realize you are just one person but do you think you could convince the rest of your liberal friends that nuclear power is the best way to meet our energy and ecological needs at the same time? We have only had 3 nuclear disasters in 40 years of the industry, and two of them lead to no loss of life. Chernobyl on the other hand, was handled by idiots who did not put a containment structure around the reactor. All reactors now have containment structures. Sure waste is a problem when it comes to nuclear power, but building containment facilities is still an enormous improvement over green house gas emissions. Not to mention the unlimited amount of cheap electricity we could generate from a large expansion of nuclear power could be an enormous catalyst for a booming electrical car industry, further reducing oil consumption.
    A year ago, I'd fully agree..... now I have doubts....
    Our nation needs honesty, the truth...I do not know if nuclear is in fact the best way to go...all kinds of conflicts....does anyone "tell the truth" ?
    Did they ever ???
    And I do NOT see what "liberal" or "conservative" policys have to do with a choice of power generation ....
    I favor coal, but can the pollution be controlled ?
    I'd like to think that it can..

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