View Poll Results: What is (are) the best way(s) to eliminate the deficit?

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  • A balanced budget amendment

    24 24.74%
  • A line item veto amenndment

    17 17.53%
  • replace income tx with a national retail sales tax

    10 10.31%
  • Raise taxes on the rich

    40 41.24%
  • Raise taxes on the middle-class

    7 7.22%
  • Raise taxes stealthily in the form of fees, a federal lottery, etc.

    4 4.12%
  • Nationalize oil and natural gas on federal land and get into the enegry business like Saudi Arabia

    11 11.34%
  • Cut federal spending

    66 68.04%
  • Sell services to prizate industry at a profit, privatize then tax them

    4 4.12%
  • other

    26 26.80%
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I agree high priced oil is a huge problem for America on multiple levels. However, I would stop at saying we violate other countries national sovereignty and "take them back". I say can we please believe in American technology and innovation and lets work on replacing oil as our primary energy fuel and thus cause a devaluing of crude oil. The economy gets fixed because Americans will pay the equivalent of pennies on the dollar for fuel in electricity. Most of our national security problems get fixed because we nor anybody else will need the suicide bombers' countries for our economic survival anymore. I don't particularly agree with the environmentalist but there's already an automatic support base for alternative fuel. For people like me that see something unhealthy in one of the most important commodities running the American economy having essentially a monopoly on personal transportation and to correct it the answer isn't adding more of the same monopoly commodity to the supply and something dangerous with volatile cultures that hate us and are willing to die to prove it as long as they get to kill some of us in the process, the time has come to modernize.


    I think the time has come to enact a national policy like the one to land a man on the Moon and return him safely to Earth. The new national mind set to be to reduce the import of all energy forms from outside our own borders to nothing before the end of this decade. We have all of the resources we need to satisfy our energy needs and only need to use them.

    Whether we are paying to import the 3 or 4 billion barrels of oil annually or paying our own citizens to harvest it and distribute AND export it, we will still get it, still burn it and still ring up all of the pollution like it or not.

    The question has absolutely nothing to do with ecology and only has to do with the balance of trade, domestic economy and American jobs.
    Last edited by code1211; 07-25-12 at 09:51 PM.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to an independent tribunal prior to Bush's invasion of Afghanistan. Bush refused. At that point we had no further legal claim on the man. Bush was certainly not interested in him.
    It was our country he attacked, our people he killed. Just because some whinny little french guy doesn't like the fact that we would execute him and wants to take possession of him for a "trial" sure as hell does not mean that we gave up "any further claim on the man". We are the United States, we are a sovereign nation and we were the sovereign nation that he attacked, no way in hell we should subordinate our sovereignty to others. If he was to be turned over and tried for his crimes, it was us to whom he should of been surrendered.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I think the time has come to enact a national policy like the one to land a man on the Moon and return him safely to Earth. The new national mind set to be to reduce the import of all energy forms from outside our own borders to nothing before the end of this decade. We have all of the resources we need to satisfy our energy needs and only need to use them.

    Whether we are paying to import the 3 or 4 billion barrels of oil annually or paying our own citizens to harvest it and distribute AND export it, we will still get it, still burn it and still ring up all of the pollution like it or not.

    The question has absolutely nothing to do with ecology and only has to do with the balance of trade, domestic economy and American jobs.

    Any solution that ignores ecology is short sighted and unsustainable.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I would support the Tea Party a lot more if they pushed for a constitutional amendment for replacing the income tax with a national retail sales tax and giving the POTUS the line item veto as opposed to their drive for a balanced budget amendment.

    What do you think are the best ways to eliminate the deficit?
    For every good purpose you can show for the POTUS having line item veto power I could show 5 that would show why it wouldn't be good. Line item veto would swing the power to the Executive Branch and make what is an already power heavy branch even more powerful. Imagine President Obama with the power to veto out of every bill what he doesn't like, write these "Executive Orders", and make recess appointments whenever he wants. Imagine ANY POTUS with that power! Sadly, he already has executed his privilege on two of those. I don't agree with any POTUS being able to write the type of Executive Orders he and President Bush have written.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I agree high priced oil is a huge problem for America on multiple levels. However, I would stop at saying we violate other countries national sovereignty and "take them back". I say can we please believe in American technology and innovation and lets work on replacing oil as our primary energy fuel and thus cause a devaluing of crude oil. The economy gets fixed because Americans will pay the equivalent of pennies on the dollar for fuel in electricity. Most of our national security problems get fixed because we nor anybody else will need the suicide bombers' countries for our economic survival anymore. I don't particularly agree with the environmentalist but there's already an automatic support base for alternative fuel. For people like me that see something unhealthy in one of the most important commodities running the American economy having essentially a monopoly on personal transportation and to correct it the answer isn't adding more of the same monopoly commodity to the supply and something dangerous with volatile cultures that hate us and are willing to die to prove it as long as they get to kill some of us in the process, the time has come to modernize.
    Price-gouging is extortionist piracy and should be treated as an act of war. We don't have to respect the national sovereignty of our enemies.
    For 40 years, we have been told that an alternative-fuel solution is just around the corner. Shouldn't we realize by now that it's all a scam in order to pacify the people? Follow the money and you will discover that the transnational oil companies piggyback off OPEC's extortion and fund disinformation about alternatives.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Any solution that ignores ecology is short sighted and unsustainable.
    Then perhaps the ecologist should start using real science instead of incomplete data and half-truths (some are not even that valid). Destroy economics for the sake of ecology makes no more sense than destroying the ecology for the sake of economy, there has to be a balance based upon affordable, practical solutions that are scientifically achievable. But no, liberals don't want real science, they want to prove their pet theories are correct regardless of what science says and then the want to ban and restrict things while there are no viable alternatives available instead of spending all that lobying and other monies to build an alternative to sell to us. Give us a practical, affordable alternative and we will buy it, otherwise, I think you know what anatomical area the liberals can shove all their useless bs.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Then perhaps the ecologist should start using real science instead of incomplete data and half-truths (some are not even that valid). Destroy economics for the sake of ecology makes no more sense than destroying the ecology for the sake of economy, there has to be a balance based upon affordable, practical solutions that are scientifically achievable. But no, liberals don't want real science, they want to prove their pet theories are correct regardless of what science says and then the want to ban and restrict things while there are no viable alternatives available instead of spending all that lobying and other monies to build an alternative to sell to us. Give us a practical, affordable alternative and we will buy it, otherwise, I think you know what anatomical area the liberals can shove all their useless bs.
    Real science is the research over the last 30 years that have the majority of climate experts from all over the world endorsing AGW. At this point in time it is predominately white conservative males that deny AGW.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to an independent tribunal prior to Bush's invasion of Afghanistan. Bush refused. At that point we had no further legal claim on the man. Bush was certainly not interested in him.
    that's a nice strawman. but seriously how do you account for the fact that your idiotic plan leaves us no ability to engage in foreign affairs outside of ICBMs? Obama finds out that Osama is in Abottobad, but uh-oh, we followed the Karl plan and now we have no army, no presence in afghanistan, and no ability to get him other than to flatten significant sections of the city.

    your play kills civilians. just wanted to point that out to you .

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    That you don't know the answer is depressing. Not a Ron Paul fan? (he's elaborated on that issue, much to the displeasure of the neocons).
    No, I am not a fan of Ron Paul. His foreign policy, like yours, is naive beyond all measuring. It's Kellog-Briand level naive.

    But no, we did not invade Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom asked us to come defend them after Iraq invaded Kuwait, and they have sought our assistance ever since as a bulwark against Iran.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Real science is the research over the last 30 years that have the majority of climate experts from all over the world endorsing AGW. At this point in time it is predominately white conservative males that deny AGW.


    If CO2 causes the climate's temperature to increase and it is the one driving factor that overpowers all else, this should be an easy proposition to prove.

    Do so.

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