View Poll Results: What is (are) the best way(s) to eliminate the deficit?

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  • A balanced budget amendment

    24 24.74%
  • A line item veto amenndment

    17 17.53%
  • replace income tx with a national retail sales tax

    10 10.31%
  • Raise taxes on the rich

    40 41.24%
  • Raise taxes on the middle-class

    7 7.22%
  • Raise taxes stealthily in the form of fees, a federal lottery, etc.

    4 4.12%
  • Nationalize oil and natural gas on federal land and get into the enegry business like Saudi Arabia

    11 11.34%
  • Cut federal spending

    66 68.04%
  • Sell services to prizate industry at a profit, privatize then tax them

    4 4.12%
  • other

    26 26.80%
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Thread: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Romney Pledges to Increase U.S. Military Spending, Deter Iran"

    Romney Pledges to Increase U.S. Military Spending, Deter Iran - Businessweek
    Great for him, sounds like he has at least some policies I can support.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Great for him, sounds like he has at least some policies I can support.

    We already out spend Iran by $68006100000.....Sounds like a bunch of wasteful spending to me...


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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We already out spend Iran by $68006100000.....Sounds like a bunch of wasteful spending to me...
    Not really, the military needs some serious upgrades to it's systems. Even if the technology is the best and viable the systems are just too damned old. Our primary Bomber fleet is still B-52s, next year, they will start turning 60. And the military is something that benefits all citizens, not just a few like welfare and other "social" programs. The military is also a necessity and a natural function of government will wasting money on lazy idiots that contribute nothing but use up large amounts of available resourses and not available or used by all citizens is not only not a natural government, it is a useless and illogical waste of resources.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Not really, the military needs some serious upgrades to it's systems. Even if the technology is the best and viable the systems are just too damned old. Our primary Bomber fleet is still B-52s, next year, they will start turning 60. And the military is something that benefits all citizens, not just a few like welfare and other "social" programs. The military is also a necessity and a natural function of government will wasting money on lazy idiots that contribute nothing but use up large amounts of available resourses and not available or used by all citizens is not only not a natural government, it is a useless and illogical waste of resources.
    Our military is among the best equipped in the world. We outspend the whole world combined. We do not need to spend more money on the ****ing military. A spending spree for some reason isnt gonna do **** to Iran. We already spend the most in the world, why if we spend more why would Iran all the sudden say "ohh ahhh yep you got us"?


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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    So, at some point in time, some people, funded by some other people, thought about how to reduce the deficit.

    That's helpful.
    I know, Google's a pain in the ass isn't it? Google chrome let's you look stuff up in the URL bar. Firefox has that neat little google bubble next to their URL bar that allows searches. Look, you can type in "think tanks reduce deficit foundation" and then look at the commentary from news organizations all around the country.

    Crazy? I know!

    Maybe I should help you out.

    Oh, look at this, the first search result with the above search term.

    http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/20...udget-deficit/

    Wow, check this out. In that blog they have a hyperlink (some blue stuff that allows you to connect to some other stuff) to something rad, like the actual document. http://pgpf.org/Issues/Fiscal-Outloo...69ECFC626DA220

    Ooooh, look, just in case you didn't want to actually read the thing, right below Google has a thing linking to a CSPAN video of the summary of the work done.

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/299693-6

    Thank goodness I helped you out on that. It would be difficult to find and I understand that Google is so hard to use.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Great for him, sounds like he has at least some policies I can support.
    That was addressed to someone that was concerned about US spending.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Our military is among the best equipped in the world. We outspend the whole world combined. We do not need to spend more money on the ****ing military. A spending spree for some reason isnt gonna do **** to Iran. We already spend the most in the world, why if we spend more why would Iran all the sudden say "ohh ahhh yep you got us"?
    You are right. We should stop spending and actually use what we have bought.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea growth for who?


    No one is calling for a "couple". Calling for a lot.
    1. The general Chinese public has seen a large number of benefits from economic growth. Only a few decades ago they were practically a super sized Cuba. The rich always make the majority of the gains, but the middle class has grown rapidly with the overall economy.

    2. We do not have the resources or technology to completely rely on green energy. Not to mention their implimentation puts us at a competitive disadvantage with countries who do not. That's why I advocate nuclear power and natural gas. It would be a competitive advantage instead of a disadvantage and we would still see huge environmental benefits over the status quo.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Can we stop spending on the military industrial complex?
    No, but we can reduce the monetary cost by increasing efficiency, and cutting waste.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    No, but we can reduce the monetary cost by increasing efficiency, and cutting waste.
    Very true. There will always be a need for the military and I believe we should keep as well equiped as we can. I also believe it is well worth the cost of overseas bases so that if attacked we fight on someone elses territory instead of in our own country.

    One of the biggest costs in getting updated and new systems is Congress. A good example of this is the Air Forces new F-22 Fighter, role, Air-Superiority/intercepter. Developement for it was started in the 1980s and due to congressional funding issues and other issues it has taken more than 20 years to actually get it into service and even then, at current acquistion rates, it will never actually fully replace the F-15, which first entered service in 1972, and has cost us Billions more than it should. Congress votes on each major system independent of the Defence Budget. As a result of this process, it was neccessary to get a majority of Representatives and Senators to vote for it everytime funding came up. To win the votes neccessary, the contractors had to create jobs in congressional districts, thus it has no real centralized production, parts of it are spread out pretty much through all 50 States. As you can imagine, this greatly increases the cost for the system as you have far more facilities and management personnel than needed. At a rough guesstimate, the system now cost over twice what it would if congress had simply given the Air Force an annual budget for research, development and acquisition and allowed it and the contractors to centralize development and production.

    Another fine example of Congress messing with military contracts, the C-130J. The Air Force did not request a new C-130 model. While it did need some new airframes because some were getting very old, they would of been just as happy, probably happier, with the previous C-130H-3 models. The C-130H models cost approximately $40 million each, the C-130J models $80 million each. Congress forced the purchase and delivery of these new Aircraft, even though the service didn't want them.

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