View Poll Results: What is (are) the best way(s) to eliminate the deficit?

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  • A balanced budget amendment

    24 24.74%
  • A line item veto amenndment

    17 17.53%
  • replace income tx with a national retail sales tax

    10 10.31%
  • Raise taxes on the rich

    40 41.24%
  • Raise taxes on the middle-class

    7 7.22%
  • Raise taxes stealthily in the form of fees, a federal lottery, etc.

    4 4.12%
  • Nationalize oil and natural gas on federal land and get into the enegry business like Saudi Arabia

    11 11.34%
  • Cut federal spending

    66 68.04%
  • Sell services to prizate industry at a profit, privatize then tax them

    4 4.12%
  • other

    26 26.80%
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You mean the paul ryan whose plan has been totally rejected twice by the american people and congress.
    actually it's been rejected by half of congress, and the American people haven't gone to the polls yet over it.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Claiming that China is socialist is hysterical.
    China actually does adhere socialist principles when it comes to things such as economic planning. They also cannot neccesarily qualify as being capitalist as the government pretty much runs the general economy. China strong arms any company who wishes to do business in China. Which has lead to numerous copyright infrigments and theft of U.S. technology. They also have a nasty reputation of currency manipulation, which has hurt U.S. business abroad. China may not be pro labor, but the government is still the one calling the majority of the shots.

    As for "third world sweatshop" status, obviously certain countries inheritantly have less resources than others. But also when you look at a lot of third world countries, they all have inheritant problems that have zero to do with labor strength. Much of Africa has spent a majority of its time killing each other for resources and power and certain countries in the middle east are too preoccupied stoning women to make any improvements in living conditions. "Sweatshop" countries in SE Asia have actually seen double digit economic growth for many years. See "Four Asian Tigers."

    And yes, China's environment sucks. But 1.2 Billion people are not going to suddenly supply all their energy demands with a couple windmills and solar panals. This is what drives me crazy about the left, they sit here and whine and complain about energy policy yet have no real, feasible solution. We do not have the land, money, or technology to supply the world strictly on "green" energy sources. To me, the solution for climate change is improvements in efficency standards, expansion of nuclear power (the only alternative energy source with superior economic fundamentals to coal), emissions and waste taxes (nonstarter with Republicans, but they need to get over it; the costs of polution need to be bourne by the poluter), temporary replacement of oil with natural gas (until we have the technology to be purely electric), and funding of research for fusion power plants.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    A year or two ago, a large number of think-tanks (left, right, and center) participated in a grant from a certain foundation that presented their means of reducing the deficit. Look it up, parse it, come up with your own conclusions.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Stop FUCKING SPENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    A year or two ago, a large number of think-tanks (left, right, and center) participated in a grant from a certain foundation that presented their means of reducing the deficit. Look it up, parse it, come up with your own conclusions.
    So, at some point in time, some people, funded by some other people, thought about how to reduce the deficit.

    That's helpful.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Stop FUCKING SPENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    seriously?????

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So your telling me that China is a pure capitalistic nation (we have never even been a pure capitalistic nation)? Your telling me that China has no sweat shops? China environment is awesome!?
    Its not "left wing BS" when its true..
    I am not for sure exactly how you came to these conclusions from what I said in previous posts. But then again, you posted only a single data point, current status, to argue against them "improving their educations system".



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sure it will... Been there for a very long time. A **** ton of 3rd world countries have been that way for a while. **** we still have some sweat shops in this country.
    Obviously you either don't know a lot about it or choose to ignore certain factors involved. I won't repeat what someone else has already said, but will add that a large number of the third world countries, even those that are not socialist, have closed and protected market systems. They tax heavily on imports to protect domestic markets, even markets that do not and will not exist in their countries. They also restrict ownership of business to at least majority owned by citizens of their countries. They have very limited and usually very poor education systems which limits and will not allow development needed.

    In China, people spend their life savings just to travel in hope of getting a job in "sweat shops" because the meager pay from them is a vast improvement in their lives over what is provided to them by the Socialist state. China has many factors depressing their economic development, however I do think that conditions there are changing and there is a real chance and possiblity of improvement unlike many other 3rd world nations that show no movement towards improvements.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Claiming that China is socialist is hysterical.
    Once again, Socialism derives from Marxist Theory. The theories of Socialism from Marx was/is a transitional state where the economy and society is moved from Capitalism to Communism. Government control/ownership is a halmark of this transition because it takes a government to enforce the change. All Communist are Socialist. What many now call Socilist and the primary difference between many proclaimed Socialist and Communist is that these Socialist beleive in the accomplishing the goals and theories laid down by Marx but do not transition into Communism. Because Socialism is a transitional state, any government or society that has entered and implemented changes directed towards acheiving Communism or Socialism as an end goal are Socialist. China clearly and definitively is very much Socialist.

    There are those who wish to alter some of Marx's theories or limit the goals, however; these sudo or proto-socialist still derive from Marx. If your theories do not originate with Marx's definition of Socialism, then you are not a Socialist. Liberals, as they currently exist in the US, preach that they are not socialist, however, the end result of their socio-economic theories of Regulated Capitalism still end the same place that non-communist Socialist work towards, societal control of the economy and redistribution of wealth and resources equally without consideration for contributions to society. Because their end goals are the same, they are, by any reasonable definition, Socialist, even if their method to accomplish it differs, they are still trying to acheiving goals derived from Marxist theory.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    China actually does adhere socialist principles when it comes to things such as economic planning.
    Every nation uses some socialist principles. Even the most capitalistic countries like ours.

    They also cannot neccesarily qualify as being capitalist as the government pretty much runs the general economy.
    Hence state capitalism.

    China strong arms any company who wishes to do business in China. Which has lead to numerous copyright infrigments and theft of U.S. technology. They also have a nasty reputation of currency manipulation, which has hurt U.S. business abroad. China may not be pro labor, but the government is still the one calling the majority of the shots.
    Hence state capitalism.


    As for "third world sweatshop" status, obviously certain countries inheritantly have less resources than others. But also when you look at a lot of third world countries, they all have inheritant problems that have zero to do with labor strength. Much of Africa has spent a majority of its time killing each other for resources and power and certain countries in the middle east are too preoccupied stoning women to make any improvements in living conditions. "Sweatshop" countries in SE Asia have actually seen double digit economic growth for many years. See "Four Asian Tigers."
    Yea growth for who?


    And yes, China's environment sucks. But 1.2 Billion people are not going to suddenly supply all their energy demands with a couple windmills and solar panals. This is what drives me crazy about the left, they sit here and whine and complain about energy policy yet have no real, feasible solution. We do not have the land, money, or technology to supply the world strictly on "green" energy sources. To me, the solution for climate change is improvements in efficency standards, expansion of nuclear power (the only alternative energy source with superior economic fundamentals to coal), emissions and waste taxes (nonstarter with Republicans, but they need to get over it; the costs of polution need to be bourne by the poluter), temporary replacement of oil with natural gas (until we have the technology to be purely electric), and funding of research for fusion power plants.
    No one is calling for a "couple". Calling for a lot.


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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Stop FUCKING SPENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Can we stop spending on the military industrial complex?


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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Stop FUCKING SPENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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