View Poll Results: What is (are) the best way(s) to eliminate the deficit?

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  • A balanced budget amendment

    24 24.74%
  • A line item veto amenndment

    17 17.53%
  • replace income tx with a national retail sales tax

    10 10.31%
  • Raise taxes on the rich

    40 41.24%
  • Raise taxes on the middle-class

    7 7.22%
  • Raise taxes stealthily in the form of fees, a federal lottery, etc.

    4 4.12%
  • Nationalize oil and natural gas on federal land and get into the enegry business like Saudi Arabia

    11 11.34%
  • Cut federal spending

    66 68.04%
  • Sell services to prizate industry at a profit, privatize then tax them

    4 4.12%
  • other

    26 26.80%
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You left something off: Tax newly legalized services. Sexual freedom should be legalized, meaning if someone wants to pay for sexual services, he should be able to. That should be regulated and taxed. If someone wants to consume marijuana or Psilocybin mushrooms for medicinal or recreational use, he should be allowed to. Again, regulate and tax it.

    I would also put a 99% tax on all corporate bribery -- I mean donations -- of political campaigns. Of course, they might just quit donating if the tax were that high. FINE WITH ME!

    There should be cuts, but not of Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, or education. We should END the war on drugs that would save money on wasted enforcement. Also give amnesty to people convicted of non-violent drug offenses and let them out of prison -- less money spend on prisons. Withdraw all troops from Afghanistan immediately -- more money saved.


    i agree with Afghanistan. In the history books, Afghanistan will show up as the Super power the demolished both the Soviet union and the united States.

    Out of curiosity, why should the Feds continue to spend anything on Education? Since they have been involved, the USA has slipped from number 1 to about 20th ranked against the rest of the world. That's not a great endorsement in my view.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Anybody with any sense says this and it is compared to what the feds used to spend. This link takes you to a chart that shows that Federal spending per household has about doubled since 1965 figured in constant 2012 dollars adjusted for inflation.

    This is the perfect example of an organization doing less with more. Every other organization on the planet that has implemented the use of computers has reduced payroll as a result. Not the Gubmint. They have increased their headcount and the average pay of each head.

    What's wrong with this picture?

    Federal Spending per Household Is Skyrocketing

    That coincides with the mass outsourcing of american jobs that has millions upon millions of used to be taxpaying middleclass out of work or under employed and on food stamps...It coincides with the rich enjoying the lowest tax rate in 50 yrs....get the picture here.
    It coincides with the rich getting fabulously richer while the 98% of america slides further and further down....the pigs at the trough have sucked the life out of the country...now theyre bottom sucking

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Remove capital gains tax. The single biggest mistake ever. All income should be taxed as income not "capital gains".

    Means test many deductions or remove.

    Cut waste in military and security spending. Includes cutting a branch of the military.

    Cut waste in over all government spending... aka pork projects.

    Means test SS. Ron Paul does not need SS...

    Tackle the private healthcare cartel to reduce over all costs in healthcare which will effect Medicaid and care. Single biggest problem in the US at the moment.

    But all this wont happen because of the money involved in the political process to maintain the status quo.


    Many of your points are to punish those who have worked hard to have something when they need it. Why would you want to do this?

    Our health plan at work has changed from the old model of the 80/20 coverage to a system where the first dollars are covered 100% up to a plateau. All preventative care is covered 100%.

    After that initial plateau, 100% of the costs are covered by the employee and after that, it goes to the old 80/20 model.

    Suddenly ALL employees are seeking ways to stay under the plateau where the company pays 100%. Big time savings when you have thousands of people working to produce savings on every medical decision. This is a model that brings everybody together to make the right choice. This is a model that should be considered by any group trying to control Medical costs.

    Top down decision making, like the centralized models of Obama, are poison to savings as the skyrocketing deficits demonstrate.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I put other....we do not need to raise taxs...we need to plug the loopholes that allow the rich and corporations to get away with murder...we need more regulation that MAKES them keep jobs here to expand the tax base.

    We need to cut spending reasonably in a way that does not hurt large groups of people...we need reasonable entitlement reform..

    If we combine all 3 of those we would zooom right out of debt....without anyone getting hurt except for the larynxs of the far right


    And if these steps were put in place, would the american people all fall in line and pay the increased costs to support the increased costs of the manufacturers who are producing the higher cost products to replace the lower cost products we love?

    Businesses don't pay taxes. They collect taxes.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    That coincides with the mass outsourcing of american jobs that has millions upon millions of used to be taxpaying middleclass out of work or under employed and on food stamps...It coincides with the rich enjoying the lowest tax rate in 50 yrs....get the picture here.
    It coincides with the rich getting fabulously richer while the 98% of america slides further and further down....the pigs at the trough have sucked the life out of the country...now theyre bottom sucking


    During that period was the Space Race, Viet Nam, watergate, The hostage crisis, Stagflation, the Reagan Revolution, the .com Bubble, the Real estate bubble and the worst president in the history of the Republic in terms of debt, Obama.

    Have you ever wondered why the pioneers went west and dug holes in prairie and lived like moles instead of staying in the cities of the east? Life sucked at that time.

    Whatever your life conditions are right now in the USA, you are living better than you would have for the rest of the history of civilization.

    If your life is miserable, man up and go to work. Your whine needs a cork.

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. Raising nominal rates on upper income earners will not produce more revenue
    2. It will increase the amount of time, energy, and resources that upper income earners spend minimizing their tax exposure which
    3. Means that it will also decrease the amount of time, energy, and resources that they put into being productive.
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    A few other things I would do that should help...

    -A complete and thorough audit of The Federal Reserve. Heads should roll in this investigation and we need to know what our money is funding.
    -An investigation into corruption within the Federal governments' three branches. Find a way to get them out of suits and into prisons
    -Immediately release all non-violent drug users from prison and put them into an out-patient rehab center. Redefine addiction as a medical issue rather than a criminal one and we save money by not having overcrowding prisons. (This comes with the notion that healthcare is a private entity not to be funded exclusively through the government.)
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The worst thing you could do to our consumer economy is to tax spending. [...]
    Actually that would be one of the best things to do if you wanted solid growth rather than a series of bubbles.[....]


    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No nation has ever consumed it's way into prosperity - you produce your way into prosperity.


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    The United States currently has the most progressive income tax structure in the modern world.


    According to World Bank data, Denmark currently has the highest top marginal tax bracket worldwide, with a tax rate of up to 62.3%. Sweden has the second-highest marginal tax rate—at 56.7%—and The Netherlands comes in third, at 52%. Austria, Belgium, The Congo and Japan follow closely at 50%.

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    Taxation of an individual's income in Japan is progressive. [....] The tax rate for an individual in 2012 is between 5% - 40% [The U.S. individual income tax rates for 2011 are 10%-35%].

    Japan Tax Laws Tax System 2012. - WorldWide-Tax.com
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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    And if these steps were put in place, would the american people all fall in line and pay the increased costs to support the increased costs of the manufacturers who are producing the higher cost products to replace the lower cost products we love?

    Businesses don't pay taxes. They collect taxes.
    You buy into the corporate koolaid like so many toe the line conservatives do...

    Manufacturing in China does not decrease the cost here....what the freight will bear decides pricing not manufacturing cost.. The ran to china to avoid paying fellow americans a decent wage...out of GREED no other reason...they dont want to pay ANYTHING to their workers...no pensions no health insurance...they just want to stick it in their pocket.
    Our dearest corporate rich guys have gladly...stuck it to their own country out of greed...they have millions of americans out of work because of outsourcing and not paying taxs and some on the public dole....they have millions on non union private sector workers..working far longer hours for LESS...they have caused this malais no one but the rich corporate interests....ALL OUT OF GREED. Now after they caused this, they want to attack public workers...and seniors on social security and medicare and the poorest americans on medicare and food stamps and say THEY ARE THE CULPRITS...we need more tax cuts to create jobs....where ahs in china like you have been ?

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    Re: What's the best way to reduce the deficit?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    A few other things I would do that should help...

    -A complete and thorough audit of The Federal Reserve. Heads should roll in this investigation and we need to know what our money is funding.
    -An investigation into corruption within the Federal governments' three branches. Find a way to get them out of suits and into prisons
    -Immediately release all non-violent drug users from prison and put them into an out-patient rehab center. Redefine addiction as a medical issue rather than a criminal one and we save money by not having overcrowding prisons. (This comes with the notion that healthcare is a private entity not to be funded exclusively through the government.)


    Before we do that start putting this corporate scumbags in jail first...and stopping all the criminality by the big banks...wall street and the corporate crooks...and the drug makers....and watch how fast it gets better...bottom feeding scum they are....every day theres a new corporation, bank or ceo caught SCREWING AMERICANS...and it all ends the same way...SCUMBAGS NUMBER 1-2-3 admit to no wrongdoing but agreed to pay 3 billion in fines on the 25 billion they STOLE from americans....pfffffffffffffft

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