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Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

Is paying your taxes patriotic?

  • Yes, it is our duty as citizens to pay into the system that we have reaped the benefits from.

    Votes: 38 77.6%

  • No, if you can get away with it, why not.

    Votes: 5 10.2%

  • Who cares!

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • Total voters
    49
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

There is nothing patriotic about paying taxes, it's just the law.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

American said:
There is nothing patriotic about paying taxes, it's just the law.
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I feel sometimes like a waiter who has to serve a fat slob even if they order a quadruple order of double fudge cake
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Arbo said:
I just don't want to waste time explaining 'by the people, of the people, for the people.' It takes too much effort to knock a locomotive off it's tracks so it can look it more than one direction.
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You can't single handedly change something. That in of itself is against the Constitution. Are your rails even on the track?
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

TheLastIndependent said:
Your individual wants have absolutely no voice in government unless it is done legally through legislation as stated iun the Consitution. You can't just decide not to pay your taxes because you don't like the way it's spent. Fix the system, pay your taxes.
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Sure you can...it's called loopholes and tax fraud.

I believe that a tax rate of 10% is fair to do what I believe a government should do (in peacetime).

And I will do EVERYTHING I can, not to pay a penny more then that...legal or otherwise (without taking such risk so as to land me in jail).


I ignore ALL non-violent laws I do not agree with - if the reward is worth the risk...sometimes it is not, sometimes it is.

Only weak-willed saps do what they are told without question (outside of the military during wartime).


And yes, I said 'during wartime'.

I would NEVER join the military (again) unless a declared state of war with another country(s) existed.
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

To me, it's just basic ethics. If you take advantage of your country's social services, then you have a responsibility to give back.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

waas said:
To me, it's just basic ethics. If you take advantage of your country's social services, then you have a responsibility to give back.
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What if you believe the government does not provide remotely fair value for the taxes you pay?

Just do it anyway because you are told to?
 
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DA60 said:
What if you believe the government does not provide remotely fair value for the taxes you pay?

Just do it anyway because you are told to?
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You would have taxes be voluntary? May as well stop beating around the bush and declare anarchy.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

DA60 said:
What if you believe the government does not provide remotely fair value for the taxes you pay?

Just do it anyway because you are told to?
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yes, it's the law [rule of law]

Taxes are for the common weal. i live in the commonwealth of virginia. most states share this form of taxation. it's for the common good.

i think we get our money's worth.

there are radicals who believe in social darwinism mainly because yhey are rich and greedyl
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

MoSurveyor said:
You would have taxes be voluntary? May as well stop beating around the bush and declare anarchy.
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No - I never typed or thought that.

I believe that taxation to support an absolute minimum of absolutely essential government services should be mandatory (like national defence, life-or-death government services).

Beyond that, all taxation should be optional - and allow for people to opt out of government programs (like Social Security, for example).


Remember, the Sixteenth Amendment (allowing the government to tax people's income) did not come into effect into 1913.

America was founded NOT on income taxes.
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

DA60 said:
No - I never typed or thought that.

I believe that taxation to support an absolute minimum of absolutely essential government services should be mandatory (like national defence, life-or-death government services).

Beyond that, all taxation should be optional - and allow for people to opt out of government programs (like Social Security, for example).


Remember, the Sixteenth Amendment (allowing the government to tax people's income) did not come into effect into 1913.

America was founded NOT on income taxes.
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america used to rely on lotteries to provide revenues. btw the government is compelled to provide postal services.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

DA60 said:
No - I never typed or thought that.
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Then you should pay your taxes and do what you can within the law to change government spending to your liking. Almost no one completely agrees with everything on which the government spends money.
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

MoSurveyor said:
Then you should pay your taxes and do what you can within the law to change government spending to your liking.
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Riiiiiight...

What I should do is do what I think is right at all times - whether that coincides with the laws of the land or not.
 
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DA60 said:
Riiiiiight...

What I should do is do what I think is right at all times - whether that coincides with the laws of the land or not.
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Like I said, you may as well declare anarchy. Thank you for proving my point.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

LiberalAvenger said:
america used to rely on lotteries to provide revenues. btw the government is compelled to provide postal services.
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I don't care what the government is 'compelled' to do out side of absolutely essential services.

The post office is totally unnecessary...it can be done by the private sector.

I care about national defense, life or death services, law enforcement, possibly safety guidelines/rules and the funds the government needs to do these things and that is all (I may have left out a few).

And when I say national defense - I mean that. Not some massive military industrial complex that runs around the world telling everyone what to do.
I mean a defense that protects the 50 states of America with NO overseas bases or deployments during peacetime...and that is it.
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

MoSurveyor said:
Like I said, you may as well declare anarchy. Thank you for proving my point.
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I wish you people would learn what words mean before you use them.


'Definition of ANARCHY

1a : absence of government
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority'

Anarchy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


I said nothing about no government - just the same sort of government that existed when the Constitution was first written...as the founding fathers intended it to be.
I suppose they were anarchists to you then.


Btw; I see you are one of those debators that feels the need to declare some childish victory with lines like 'Thank you for proving my point'.

Yeah - that's really conducive to a mature and thoughtful conversation.

I proved nothing except in your mind and in the minds of those who already agreed with your perspective.

Having mature debates/discussions with you is obviously not realistic (as I have found from previous 'chats' with you also) - so I will not try...life is too short.


Have a nice day.
 
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DA60 said:
'Definition of ANARCHY
1a : absence of government
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority'
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Yes, a state of lawlessness. That would be this:
DA60 said:
What I should do is do what I think is right at all times - whether that coincides with the laws of the land or not.
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DA60 said:
I wish you people would learn what words mean before you use them.
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Yes, I wish "you people" would!!!


DA60 said:
Btw; [blah, blah, blah, blah-blah, blah, blah, ]

Have a nice day.
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Who's childish?!? :lamo
 
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MoSurveyor said:
Yes, a state of lawlessness. That would be this:



Yes, I wish "you people" would!!!


Who's childish?!? :lamo
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So now you put words in people's mouths as well.

And you don't just say I said something.

You take my quotes and insert your own words into them to make it look like I typed them.

Veeeery mature...not.

:rolleyes:

Yup...you are definitely someone I should not waste my time on in the future.


Have a nice day.
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

No ... Its the law, and part of being part of a society ...

Patriotism is stupid.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

DA60 said:
So now you put words in people's mouths as well.

Yup...you are definitely someone I should not waste my time on in the future.

Have a nice day.
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They are your own words - check the posts I quoted.

All I did was emphasize the parts you seem to have missed or ignored. If you don't like the message you opined then I suggest you refrain from using it in the future.

:2wave:
 
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TheLastIndependent said:
You're going directly against the survival of the country. Say you pay $20,000 in taxes yearly. What if a bridge project was $20,000 short (that would be paid by your taxes) and the bridge collapsed during that year? Is that just tough luck because you were too selfish to aid in the survival of your country? Treason
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So it's treason because I didn't pay my taxes?? That makes no sense at all.

What if we had to make drastic cuts in our military because a band of citizens refused to pay their taxes? We then get invaded and don't have the manpower to fight the threat and America crumbles. Treason.
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Oh please, that is still not treason. All you have proven is that people abuse the word treason for the same reasons they use the word patriotic.

You have underestimated the importance of taxes
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I don't underestimate the importance of taxes at all I just don't accept the model the government has decided to collect them, how much they take, and what they spend it on.
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Henrin said:
So it's treason because I didn't pay my taxes?? That makes no sense at all.



Oh please, that is still not treason. All you have proven is that people abuse the word treason for the same reasons they use the word patriotic.



I don't underestimate the importance of taxes at all I just don't accept the model the government has decided to collect them, how much they take, and what they spend it on.
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Exactly, by the logic of most people - if the government raises income tax rates to 50, 60, 70, 90% for everyone...we are supposed to pay them no matter what...simply because it is the law and complain to their Congressmen/women if they don't like it (like that is going to do anything)?

Ridiculous.

Not all laws are just or should be followed.
 
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Henrin said:
I don't underestimate the importance of taxes at all I just don't accept the model the government has decided to collect them, how much they take, and what they spend it on.
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You can disagree all you want - it's what you do about it that makes the difference.
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

MoSurveyor said:
You can disagree all you want - it's what you do about it that makes the difference.
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So basically you are saying its perfectly fine if the government jails me because I fail to give them my money. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

DA60 said:
Exactly, by the logic of most people - if the government raises income tax rates to 50, 60, 70, 90% for everyone...we are supposed to pay them no matter what...simply because it is the law and complain to their Congressmen/women if they don't like it (like that is going to do anything)?

Ridiculous.

Not all laws are just or should be followed.
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Which is why there is free choice and options you can exercise.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Henrin said:
So basically you are saying its perfectly fine if the government jails me because I fail to give them my money. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.
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Yup - jail you. Incarcerate you. Imprison you. Lock you away.

It makes perfect sense. You violate the law - you pay the price. You know this going in and you opt to do it anyways knowing the consequences.

You want to break the law to make a point of how unjust it is - fine. Part of that is going to jail.

And that too makes perfect sense.
 
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