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Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

Is paying your taxes patriotic?

  • Yes, it is our duty as citizens to pay into the system that we have reaped the benefits from.

    Votes: 38 77.6%

  • No, if you can get away with it, why not.

    Votes: 5 10.2%

  • Who cares!

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • Total voters
    49
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Lokiate said:
I would say taxes are simply a quid pro quo. You either pay them, or you go to jail. Patriotism, imo, would be buying American made goods.
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Typical libertarian. Community is more than commerce. Community comes from social values.

It's the belief that economics define patriotism which leads people to believe that paying taxes is patriotic in the first place. They forget how freedom of assembly is based on principles not performance.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

OnWisconsin said:
Well then why won't he just release his tax information, I mean c'mon, every candidate for the last 30 years has done so yet Romney refuses. I dont mean to sound like a birther here but what the hell has he got to hide?
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He released his 2010 return, his wife's return and their trust's return. He released their 2011 Estimate. (It is not unusual to file an extension...I think a normal extension takes the time period to October...) He also released 23 YEARS of returns to the McCain campaign when he was being vetted for V.P. candidacy. He obviously has nothing to hide or he wouldn't have released 23 years' worth nor even considered the vice-presidency (much less the presidency) if there were significant secrets to hide. I would think it's a matter of privacy.

I do think he should release whatever's customary, though.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Patriotism has nothing to do with taxes.

taxes are merely compulsory contribution to state revenue coffers.
patriotism is love of country.

government =/= the country.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Captain America said:
It's your turn now. Put up or shut up.

You got some evidence or is it you who is outright lying?
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First, you are using 'think progress' as a source. No bias there at all, eh?

Second, I said if you consider all. That means more than just federal earnings taxes. Try digging beyond the partisan tripe.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Daktoria said:
Typical libertarian. Community is more than commerce. Community comes from social values.

It's the belief that economics define patriotism which leads people to believe that paying taxes is patriotic in the first place. They forget how freedom of assembly is based on principles not performance.
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Can't tell if srs. I presented buying American goods over foreign goods as an example of patriotism, because it supports American industry, and keeps Americans employed. Paying taxes is no more patriotic than paying a ticket for a traffic violation. You either do it, or they issue a warrant, and throw you in jail.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Lokiate said:
Can't tell if srs. I presented buying American goods over foreign goods as an example of patriotism, because it supports American industry, and keeps Americans employed. Paying taxes is no more patriotic than paying a ticket for a traffic violation. You either do it, or they issue a warrant, and throw you in jail.
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I know what you said.

What you don't understand is patriotism is about taking pride in your country itself, not comparing your country against others.

Likewise, merely being employed objectifies domestic workers as cogs in a machine. We work to live, we don't live to work.

When you put economics first, people forget there's a right and wrong way to do things. Instead, they just want things to get done.

Therefore, they don't care if the government taxes and spends. Keynesian deficit stimulus is activity just as much as any other.
 
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No, it's not patriotic. If that were the case, then it could be assumed that those who pay little to no federal taxes are unpatriotic, and those who pay a huge tax bill are. Paying taxes is just something that you have to do, if you reach a certain level of financial stability and comfort, and it serves to disencentive productivity at a certain point.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Daktoria said:
I know what you said.

What you don't understand is patriotism is about taking pride in your country itself, not comparing your country against others.

Likewise, merely being employed objectifies domestic workers as cogs in a machine. We work to live, we don't live to work.

When you put economics first, people forget there's a right and wrong way to do things. Instead, they just want things to get done.

Therefore, they don't care if the government taxes and spends. Keynesian deficit stimulus is activity just as much as any other.
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Holy **** guy, it was a simple example. Do you always have to over-analyze every little thing?
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Lokiate said:
Holy **** guy, it was a simple example. Do you always have to over-analyze every little thing?
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It was a simple example, yes.

It was an oversimplification, and that leads to slippery slopes.

When you don't think ahead, others get ahead of you.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Daktoria said:
It was a simple example, yes.

It was an oversimplification, and that leads to slippery slopes.

When you don't think ahead, others get ahead of you.
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No, I'm talking about buying American goods, and you're on a different chapter of a different book in another library.
 
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What could be on a tax return that anybody would "hide"? If there's something fishy on your tax return, the nice little IRS man will be seeing you and being rich will NOT get you out of trouble with the IRS.

Maybe he mad a Charitable donation that he wants to keep secret? Maybe he donated a few mil to Planned Parenthood and he thinks his Repougnantcan base will freak out about that? MITT MURDERS BABIES! Or maybe he's embarrassed at how ridiculously much he makes but hasn't donated a dime outside of LDS. Maybe he gave LDS so much he thinks it will make people take up the pointless religion issue.

I've got plenty of things to bash Romney with and just as many to bash Obusha with. There are plenty of things to complain about, but this isn't one of them.

There is NO law precluding having foreign savings accounts. They must be reported on your individual return. Any interest is taxable. I've had foreign accountts and scored nicely when the dollar fell on is ass in the early 70s. It has NOTHING to do with Patriotism.




OnWisconsin said:
Republican Senator On Romney: 'It's Really American To Avoid Paying Taxes' | ThinkProgress

Like the article says, Every candidate for the last 30 years has released their tax returns yet Romney is refusing to do so. I am only speculating here, but I think it is safe to say that he has something to hide.
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Lokiate said:
No, I'm talking about buying American goods, and you're on a different chapter of a different book in another library.
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Yes, I know what you're talking about.

Consumerism is not an end unto itself though. Merely buying stuff rewards people for making crap.

You have to buy stuff from people who prove they care. Otherwise, you sell out long term production just for short term results.
 
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Yes, it is every American's duty to pay their taxes. Unfortunately, it is the very wealthy (ala Romney) who try and get by with paying as little as they can. For shame, especially since Republican/conservatives tout themselves as being so patriotic.
 
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mertex said:
Yes, it is every American's duty to pay their taxes. Unfortunately, it is the very wealthy (ala Romney) who try and get by with paying as little as they can. For shame, especially since Republican/conservatives tout themselves as being so patriotic.
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If you do not try to pay as little as you can, you are a fool.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Arbo said:
If you do not try to pay as little as you can, you are a fool.
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I try to pay as little as I can using the legal deductions. I don't try and hide my money in other countries, to avoid paying taxes on it. Extremely rich people should be ashamed for doing such.
 
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It's not an issue of patriotism. It's an issue of maturity. It's extremely childish to whine about paying the membership fee to be a part of the United States. All of the wonderful things we enjoy here cost money. We all have to pay for them. Get with the program.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Paschendale said:
It's not an issue of patriotism. It's an issue of maturity. It's extremely childish to whine about paying the membership fee to be a part of the United States. All of the wonderful things we enjoy here cost money. We all have to pay for them. Get with the program.
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Why is it anyone's right to force you to join a club and pay for it?
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Daktoria said:
Why is it anyone's right to force you to join a club and pay for it?
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Nobody forces anyone to live in America. There's other countries, you know.
 
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mertex said:
Nobody forces anyone to live in America. There's other countries, you know.
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Last I checked, being given birth to involves physical force.

Likewise, the government allows anyone to reproduce, not checking for social qualifications.

It's no different from lending a house to someone to take you hostage.

Expecting the hostage to so much as lift a finger is coercion.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Arbo said:
If you do not try to pay as little as you can, you are a fool.
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sad that the selfish and greedy place themselves and their worship of Mammon above America and the American people.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Daktoria said:
Last I checked, being given birth to involves physical force.
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If you were an infant, you could use that excuse. I don't suppose you are still a child, living here by force?

Likewise, the government allows anyone to reproduce, not checking for social qualifications.
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What? If you like imposed sterilization you need to move to a country that believes in that. I think China doesn't allow more than 2 kids, that might be a good place to go.

It's no different from lending a house to someone to take you hostage.
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This statement makes no sense whatsoever. As an adult, you are able to move to another country instead of griping that you don't want to do what is required here.

Expecting the hostage to so much as lift a finger is coercion.
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Geez, now you are a hostage? Okie - dokie!
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

mertex said:
I try to pay as little as I can using the legal deductions. I don't try and hide my money in other countries, to avoid paying taxes on it. Extremely rich people should be ashamed for doing such.
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Can you show that anyone has 'hid' their money? I mean, the fact that even a common citizen such as yourself knows he has accounts overseas means it's kinda public knowledge. Or can you show that it is illegal for him to use a legal method to avoid taxes in any way?
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Paschendale said:
It's not an issue of patriotism. It's an issue of maturity. It's extremely childish to whine about paying the membership fee to be a part of the United States. All of the wonderful things we enjoy here cost money. We all have to pay for them. Get with the program.
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We all have to pay for them, except for half of the citizens who don't. Hmm.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Paschendale said:
It's not an issue of patriotism. It's an issue of maturity. It's extremely childish to whine about paying the membership fee to be a part of the United States. All of the wonderful things we enjoy here cost money. We all have to pay for them. Get with the program.
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No. We don't all have to pay for them. About half of us are paying for them, and the others are along for the ride.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

lizzie said:
No. We don't all have to pay for them. About half of us are paying for them, and the others are along for the ride.
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Actually, everybody pays taxes, so no.
 
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