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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Looky there folks, its still my fault somehow. This time its all of a sudden that I didn't make sense when that clearly wasn't the problem a moment ago. Good times..
    It wasn't the problem a moment ago? What part of vvv(this post)vvv or the one below it makes you believe otherwise?
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    Communication is a two-way street. I've done my part, I responded to what I thought were your points. It is now your turn - and just saying "you didn't address my points" doesn't move the conversation any further down the road. If you feel I haven't addressed them then you should post them again with additional comments for clarity.
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    I don't know what the hell you "suggested". If you're expecting everyone to read between your hair-thin lines then I must tell you, I misplaced my magnifying glass - you'll have to be more obvious.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    I could care less about fair. I dont want to be raped on my taxes. Taking damn near half of what I earn is rape. I have a solution. Lets settle on a single rate and kind of tax and be done with it. No loop holes, no graduation, nothing. We set it, and we lock it and forget about it. Instead of limiting the spending we should limit the income. Lock it via the constitution. The single rate should cover ALL goverment, state, local, federal. Outlaw goverment borrowing. The only thing the goverment can spend is what it takes in no more. If there is a surpluss the goverment keeps it. If there is a shortage too bad, something gets cut. Most of what we argue about with goverment comes down to arguements about money. Make the money a moot point. I am tired of wondering if the goverment is going to take MORE of what I earn.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I could care less about fair. I dont want to be raped on my taxes. Taking damn near half of what I earn is rape. I have a solution. Lets settle on a single rate and kind of tax and be done with it. No loop holes, no graduation, nothing. We set it, and we lock it and forget about it. Instead of limiting the spending we should limit the income. Lock it via the constitution. The single rate should cover ALL goverment, state, local, federal. Outlaw goverment borrowing. The only thing the goverment can spend is what it takes in no more. If there is a surpluss the goverment keeps it. If there is a shortage too bad, something gets cut. Most of what we argue about with goverment comes down to arguements about money. Make the money a moot point. I am tired of wondering if the goverment is going to take MORE of what I earn.
    So we should cancel our military, social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, and infrastucture programs so that we can get out of debt? That's highly irrational
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    So we should cancel our military, social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, and infrastucture programs so that we can get out of debt? That's highly irrational
    The constitution was set up to have no military in time of peace. Only a standing militia, or in current times a national guard.. there should be no need to be the police of the world/freedom fighters/empire builders that we are.

    That to me is unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    The constitution was set up to have no military in time of peace. Only a standing militia, or in current times a national guard.. there should be no need to be the police of the world/freedom fighters/empire builders that we are.

    That to me is unconstitutional.
    So you want to disband our military and then magically regroup the srtongest fighting force in the modern world at the snap of a finger? That is also irrational. Furthermore, is it not in the Constitution that Congress has power over organizing the military? If they feel that we should always have a military, then explain how it may be unconstituional.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    So we should cancel our military, social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, and infrastucture programs so that we can get out of debt? That's highly irrational
    Whats irrational is spending more than we have. Thats irrational. Raping and pillaging your citizens can only go on for so long before officials start hanging from lamposts. We are close to it were I live.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Whats irrational is spending more than we have. Thats irrational. Raping and pillaging your citizens can only go on for so long before officials start hanging from lamposts. We are close to it were I live.
    So you think that we can just make cuts and then the debt will go away and it will be happy days? You wanna know who did that? Andrew Jackson. You wanna know what happened? An awful recession. Arguably the worst of the 19th century.

    International economics is vastly different from household economics. You cannot just spend no more than you take in. It would require ridiculous amounts of taxes to be able to spend as much as a superpower needs to stay functional. SImply, what you proposed is entirely impossible and indeed irrational
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    So you want to disband our military and then magically regroup the srtongest fighting force in the modern world at the snap of a finger? That is also irrational. Furthermore, is it not in the Constitution that Congress has power over organizing the military? If they feel that we should always have a military, then explain how it may be unconstituional.
    You can have a trained military that is not active. We have it now, its called the Reserves. Those who want to volunteer to join the reserves can get their military training, and then only have to report back for duty a few times a year for additional training/whatever. There should be no need for a jacked up standing army, all that does is give corrupt politicians a reason to use them and start ridiculous wars.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    So you think that we can just make cuts and then the debt will go away and it will be happy days? You wanna know who did that? Andrew Jackson. You wanna know what happened? An awful recession. Arguably the worst of the 19th century.

    International economics is vastly different from household economics. You cannot just spend no more than you take in. It would require ridiculous amounts of taxes to be able to spend as much as a superpower needs to stay functional. SImply, what you proposed is entirely impossible and indeed irrational
    Really thats funny we well on our way before 9-11 to doing just that, living within our means. Under president Clinton no less. I have had the personal misfortune of seeing people hanging from lamposts for real. NOT pleasent. You obviously have no idea about money and what it is. Goverment debt is bad. Why is simple. Think of money as energy. Goverment debt is a storehouse of energy, that is not being used, it makes or produces nothing. For every loan the goverment takes out there is less money available for enterpeners and companies and individuals to borrow. The money has no velocity. Paying down the debt releases that energy. As less money is borrowed by the goverment that money is now available for investment elsewhere, that money is used to make value either in product or service which adds to the economy, to the pool of available money. Goverment debt is bad in another way as that debt has to be payed which increases the taxes required to sustain those payments. Those taxes increase the overhead a company requires to stay in business which in turn reduces the amount of money available for investment either in the company or other companies. Goverment debt is like household debt, it does not pay for itself and is a total and complete drag on economic production. Business debt is not a complete drag in that the debt is for pruducing more economic output.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Really thats funny we well on our way before 9-11 to doing just that, living within our means. Under president Clinton no less. I have had the personal misfortune of seeing people hanging from lamposts for real. NOT pleasent. You obviously have no idea about money and what it is. Goverment debt is bad. Why is simple. Think of money as energy. Goverment debt is a storehouse of energy, that is not being used, it makes or produces nothing. For every loan the goverment takes out there is less money available for enterpeners and companies and individuals to borrow. The money has no velocity. Paying down the debt releases that energy. As less money is borrowed by the goverment that money is now available for investment elsewhere, that money is used to make value either in product or service which adds to the economy, to the pool of available money. Goverment debt is bad in another way as that debt has to be payed which increases the taxes required to sustain those payments. Those taxes increase the overhead a company requires to stay in business which in turn reduces the amount of money available for investment either in the company or other companies. Goverment debt is like household debt, it does not pay for itself and is a total and complete drag on economic production. Business debt is not a complete drag in that the debt is for pruducing more economic output.
    We were well on our way indeed. Yet, that was not because of severe cuts, it was because of an extreme economic boom known as the internet bubble which had no connection to anything Clinton did. We cannot make huge cuts. What would we cut? I may not understand money, but I do know that history has proven that as an ineffective policy that has led to recession every time. Furthermore, the only tax that truly hurts business owners is the corporate tax which is far too high.

    Explain to me how an income tax hurts an owner when business expenses are written off on taxes.

    Lastly, Governmental economics and household economics are entirely different. There is no relation between the two. You cannot compare an international system to an extremely secluded system.
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