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  • Yes, it is our duty as citizens to pay into the system that we have reaped the benefits from.

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  • No, if you can get away with it, why not.

    6 9.84%
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Don't even try to play dumb with me.
    How is informing you of reality and its consequences anything but dealing with you in 100% honesty?
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yup - and that option is to do everything in my power not to pay more taxes then I feel are fair.
    FAIRNESS - whatever that is - has not a damn thing to do with it.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I want you to face the arguments in front of you. You can keep using that line if you want, but its hardly effective.

    That makes so little sense it gave me a migration and I have go lay down now. See you in a bit after it goes away. Before I go though, I will try to finish this post. God, it hurts.

    Whatever your point is, go ahead and make it. As it stands you are talking about voting and I'm talking about taxes.
    Voting and taxes are intimately related. Perhaps your ignorance of this is the problem? At the national level tax laws are passed by our elected representatives. We vote them into office to make most of our governmental decisions for us. If you don't like that system there are three options open to you as noted earlier.

    Most taxes, sales and property taxes where I live for example, are such that The People vote on them directly. My state/county/city representatives can recommend a change in taxes but The People vote on those changes directly, which could include getting rid of them completely (if we all went collectively insane). There are also ways citizens can put changes on the ballot, including changes in taxes. So, no, I'm not avoiding anything. If anything you are avoiding your personal responsibility to government - in fact, you seem completely blind to it. You cannot separate voting and the laws that result from the outcome of that vote, including tax laws.



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    BTW - In the past 15+ years here I have voted twice to raise property taxes and once not to raise them. They've been raised once. Voting works. If you don't vote then don't bitch about the outcome.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    FAIRNESS - whatever that is - has not a damn thing to do with it.
    It does for me.


    Have a nice day.
    Last edited by DA60; 08-02-12 at 12:35 PM.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It is for me.


    Have a nice day.
    Even cpwill admits that the term FAIR or FAIRNESS needs to be crushed and flushed in a discussion on taxes. It is a term which nobody agrees upon from either side. As such it is meaningless and is an obstacle in debate.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Even cpwill admits that the term FAIR or FAIRNESS needs to be crushed and flushed in a discussion on taxes. It is a term which nobody agrees upon from either side. As such it is meaningless and is an obstacle in debate.
    Don't like it?

    Don't read it.


    Have a nice day.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Voting and taxes are intimately related. Perhaps your ignorance of this is the problem? At the national level tax laws are passed by our elected representatives. We vote them into office to make most of our governmental decisions for us. If you don't like that system there are three options open to you as noted earlier.

    Most taxes, sales and property taxes where I live for example, are such that The People vote on them directly. My state/county/city representatives can recommend a change in taxes but The People vote on those changes directly, which could include getting rid of them completely (if we all went collectively insane). There are also ways citizens can put changes on the ballot, including changes in taxes. So, no, I'm not avoiding anything. If anything you are avoiding your personal responsibility to government - in fact, you seem completely blind to it. You cannot separate voting and the laws that result from the outcome of that vote, including tax laws.



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    BTW - In the past 15+ years here I have voted twice to raise property taxes and once not to raise them. They've been raised once. Voting works. If you don't vote then don't bitch about the outcome.
    That is what I thought some empty gibberish that is supposed to somehow face my argument by not even trying to counter any points made. We have a name for that and its called complete failure. I just recovered from my migraine that you caused me just for you to cause me another one. Thanks for that.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Even cpwill admits that the term FAIR or FAIRNESS needs to be crushed and flushed in a discussion on taxes. It is a term which nobody agrees upon from either side. As such it is meaningless and is an obstacle in debate.
    This coming from the guy that used it as a key gear in his arguments for months until one day he wake up and just decided to drop it like a stone for no apparent reason.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is what I thought some empty gibberish that is supposed to somehow face my argument by not even trying to counter any points made. We have a name for that and its called complete failure. I just recovered from my migraine that you caused me just for you to cause me another one. Thanks for that.
    I did address your points as I saw them. You are welcome to try again.

    Maybe it's that highfalutin way you'all have of speakin' that clogs the chute?
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I did address your points as I saw them. You are welcome to try again.
    Then you think the government coming up with what you can vote on actually has anything to do with what I posted? That doesn't exactly speak highly of your intelligence.

    Maybe it's that highfalutin way you'all have of speakin' that clogs the chute?
    No, it only happens when I'm around your stupid posts that fail on some unexplainable level.
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