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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    To me, it's just basic ethics. If you take advantage of your country's social services, then you have a responsibility to give back.
    What if you believe the government does not provide remotely fair value for the taxes you pay?

    Just do it anyway because you are told to?

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What if you believe the government does not provide remotely fair value for the taxes you pay?

    Just do it anyway because you are told to?
    You would have taxes be voluntary? May as well stop beating around the bush and declare anarchy.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What if you believe the government does not provide remotely fair value for the taxes you pay?

    Just do it anyway because you are told to?
    yes, it's the law [rule of law]

    Taxes are for the common weal. i live in the commonwealth of virginia. most states share this form of taxation. it's for the common good.

    i think we get our money's worth.

    there are radicals who believe in social darwinism mainly because yhey are rich and greedyl
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You would have taxes be voluntary? May as well stop beating around the bush and declare anarchy.
    No - I never typed or thought that.

    I believe that taxation to support an absolute minimum of absolutely essential government services should be mandatory (like national defence, life-or-death government services).

    Beyond that, all taxation should be optional - and allow for people to opt out of government programs (like Social Security, for example).


    Remember, the Sixteenth Amendment (allowing the government to tax people's income) did not come into effect into 1913.

    America was founded NOT on income taxes.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No - I never typed or thought that.

    I believe that taxation to support an absolute minimum of absolutely essential government services should be mandatory (like national defence, life-or-death government services).

    Beyond that, all taxation should be optional - and allow for people to opt out of government programs (like Social Security, for example).


    Remember, the Sixteenth Amendment (allowing the government to tax people's income) did not come into effect into 1913.

    America was founded NOT on income taxes.
    america used to rely on lotteries to provide revenues. btw the government is compelled to provide postal services.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No - I never typed or thought that.
    Then you should pay your taxes and do what you can within the law to change government spending to your liking. Almost no one completely agrees with everything on which the government spends money.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then you should pay your taxes and do what you can within the law to change government spending to your liking.
    Riiiiiight...

    What I should do is do what I think is right at all times - whether that coincides with the laws of the land or not.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Riiiiiight...

    What I should do is do what I think is right at all times - whether that coincides with the laws of the land or not.
    Like I said, you may as well declare anarchy. Thank you for proving my point.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    america used to rely on lotteries to provide revenues. btw the government is compelled to provide postal services.
    I don't care what the government is 'compelled' to do out side of absolutely essential services.

    The post office is totally unnecessary...it can be done by the private sector.

    I care about national defense, life or death services, law enforcement, possibly safety guidelines/rules and the funds the government needs to do these things and that is all (I may have left out a few).

    And when I say national defense - I mean that. Not some massive military industrial complex that runs around the world telling everyone what to do.
    I mean a defense that protects the 50 states of America with NO overseas bases or deployments during peacetime...and that is it.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Like I said, you may as well declare anarchy. Thank you for proving my point.
    I wish you people would learn what words mean before you use them.


    'Definition of ANARCHY

    1a : absence of government
    b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority'

    Anarchy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


    I said nothing about no government - just the same sort of government that existed when the Constitution was first written...as the founding fathers intended it to be.
    I suppose they were anarchists to you then.


    Btw; I see you are one of those debators that feels the need to declare some childish victory with lines like 'Thank you for proving my point'.

    Yeah - that's really conducive to a mature and thoughtful conversation.

    I proved nothing except in your mind and in the minds of those who already agreed with your perspective.

    Having mature debates/discussions with you is obviously not realistic (as I have found from previous 'chats' with you also) - so I will not try...life is too short.


    Have a nice day.
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