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Thread: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You make the fatal error of assuming that four years of getting good grades in college is worth far less than one three hour test that may or may not measure any real information that they learned.
    not really, the question is whether or not those four years of good grades indicate great academic work, or grade inflation. Since we have testing results both before and after college that demonstrate that the students do not go in to college with particularly productive academic skills and that they do not exit college having attained those skills, we have to conclude that grade inflation and easy-course loads in the education department is the remaining plausible answer.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Kids are forced to take things in high school that they may have no real interest in or no aptitude for. People are tested on the ACT in areas that they may have no aptitude for and will NOT even take in college. As a result their GPA may be lower in high school because of certain courses and their ACT may be lower for the same reason.

    For example, let us take a person who simply loves the Social Studies and wants to be a teacher of History. In high school they have to take several years of both Math and Science. They have no interest in either nor any particular aptitude in either so they do as little as possible and never apply themselves to those courses. They get straight A's in their Social Studies courses however.

    In college they take no math or science or perhaps a single course where they must. Their transcript is loaded with social studies classes at which they excel.

    Your high school GPA was not a proper measure of if they are smart or not. The ACT with sections on both Math and Science is not a proper measure on if they are smart or not because they are being tested on areas they will not study nor use in their profession.

    To stress those sort of rubrics as standards of intelligence and then to conclude that their other grades ( in their actual field plus education courses) are the ones in error is simply ridiculous. It should be the other way around.

    Neither you nor Turtle can cite any actual study or evidence which shows that education majors do not properly earn their grades. And for you to have a valid point, that is what you must do.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    LOL-nice evasion-I made a comment that teaching majors are the bottom of the barrel based on HS GPA and test scores. That has been established as true. Cp made the observation that the major has rampant grade inflation. That was never rebutted either. Now we are told that teaching majors do worse in areas that they are "not interested in" compared to say engineering majors taking French or history majors taking biology.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    In general taxes are the cost of civilized society. Now this doesn't mean that there isn't optimization that needs to take place in our current system of what is charged and what is paid for. We can do far better managing this country.

    Whether its patriotic or not, I guess that depends on the purpose of a particular tax and if you agree or not its good for the country.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In general taxes are the cost of civilized society. Now this doesn't mean that there isn't optimization that needs to take place in our current system of what is charged and what is paid for. We can do far better managing this country.

    Whether its patriotic or not, I guess that depends on the purpose of a particular tax and if you agree or not its good for the country.
    true-but what is hilarious is watching the left scream that its unpatriotic for the overtaxed rich to use legal means to decrease their taxes while the same laws allow almost half the USA to reap the same benefits of a "civilized society" without paying any federal income taxes

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL-nice evasion-I made a comment that teaching majors are the bottom of the barrel based on HS GPA and test scores. That has been established as true. Cp made the observation that the major has rampant grade inflation. That was never rebutted either. Now we are told that teaching majors do worse in areas that they are "not interested in" compared to say engineering majors taking French or history majors taking biology.

    OKIE DOKIE
    Obviously, all you are interested in extreme partisan and ideological interpretations and are not interested in reality. I was somebody who worked in a high school for decades. I know what those damn tests are and for many kids - they are next to useless. I know what those GPA's are and in many cases they utterly fail to give you a proper picture of a kid and if they are smart or not.

    You seem to be a slave to these tests and view them in a far different light than others do.

    The stuff that you claim was not rebutted is irrelevant on its face. It does not mean what you want it to mean and that is that the people who do well are somehow better or smarter or more able than others. It simply is not so. And the success of educators in college proves it .

    Unless however you can show us that the education majors did not earn those grades. So how about it? Can you do that?
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true-but what is hilarious is watching the left scream that its unpatriotic for the overtaxed rich to use legal means to decrease their taxes while the same laws allow almost half the USA to reap the same benefits of a "civilized society" without paying any federal income taxes
    Some of us want to do the patriotic thing and INCREASE taxes across the board for ALL Americans who earn dollar one.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Some of us want to do the patriotic thing and INCREASE taxes across the board for ALL Americans who earn dollar one.
    yeah but we have seen your plan-it would raises taxes on the most overtaxed group at far far higher rates than that on the groups that are paying far less than they should

    as to the teachers unions-we have demonstrated they tend to be the bottom of the talent barrel but then are given outrageously inflated GPAs which might explain why they have such an outrageous sense of entitlement to the wealth of others

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Some of us want to do the patriotic thing and INCREASE taxes across the board for ALL Americans who earn dollar one.
    But there isnt a single member of the political class who advocates raising taxes on the middle-class. But I agree with you--which is probably a first--if people want government to change their diapers and hold their hands throughout their lives,they have to be prepared to bear the costs. The problem with leftists is that they push the idea that all these goodies grow on trees.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    If you believe the government is helping America...then it is patriotic to pay your taxes.

    If you believe the opposite - then to support an entity that you believe is hurting America is not patriotic (in my opinion).

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