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  • Yes, it is our duty as citizens to pay into the system that we have reaped the benefits from.

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  • No, if you can get away with it, why not.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Could doesn't mean ought.

    If something's built in your name, you're entitled to use it.
    It's a choice. The percentage that you've paid into any public goods you currently use is miniscule. Even Warren Buffets contribution is miniscule when you're talking about the taxes collected and used for public goods we use. This idea that you haven't already exceeded in use what you've paid in taxes to me seems a little farfetched!
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's a choice.
    No, mandatory association is not a choice.

    The percentage that you've paid into any public goods you currently use is miniscule. Even Warren Buffets contribution is miniscule when you're talking about the taxes collected and used for public goods we use. This idea that you haven't already exceeded in use what you've paid in taxes to me seems a little farfetched!
    Significant percentage and appeals to absurdity are subjective.

    Unless you're trying to go on a witch hunt via mob justice, I don't see what your point is here.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    I can't believe I'm defending this Repunantcan wanna-be President but I just react the same way I do to ludicrous accusations against the other guy.

    Romney has tax havens in foreign banks for the purpose of avoiding US taxes.
    • What is your basis for this accusation? Keeping money in foreign banks does NOT exempt you from paying taxes on anything that money might earn. There is a box on the tax return that REQUIRES you to disclose foreign bank accounts. Considering the blithering idiots that we have for politicians and their propensity to create ever more imaginary US dollars, anyone in their right mind would keep some money offshore and in other currencies.

    He has made his money and taken advantage of the prosperity that the US allows him, yet he sets up foreign bank accounts to avoid paying the taxes on the money he earned here.
    • Same hackery. Do you really think you are helping Obama by making up fairy tales?

    So the question is: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?
    • No, it's MANDATORY. You should pay as little tax as possible UNDER THE LAW.

    Let me summarize. Obama wasn't born in Kenya. Romney isn't avoiding taxes. Good Grief©

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You'll pay anything they tell you to?
    Let's be sensible here. Of couse not. But the taxes now, under Obama, are lower than they have been in 30 years. He's NOT coming for our guns and all the white women. He's is NOT a marxist. He is NOT a socialist. He is NOT a Kenyan. He is NOT a Muslim. He is NOTHING his brainwashed haters are trying to sell us that he is. It amounts to not much more than paranoid delusions.

    Who is this demon the rightwing is talking about on FOXNews? (And even here by some of the more whacko posters.)

    I don't even know who THEIR Obama is. He certainly isn't the guy sitting in the White House.

    I LOVE living in America. I loved living here when Bush was president and I love living here under Obama. I love having nice roads to drive on. I love having a very good school 1 block from my house where I can hear all the little children laughing and playing outside, from my back yard. I LOVE being able to afford jumping on a plane 2 or 3 times a year and going fishing in Florida on my meager salary. I LOVE my police department. I LOVE my fire department. I LOVE our troops and all the military who selflessly keep us safe at night so we can sleep in our own beds. I LOVE having electricity to run my air conditioner and appliances. I LOVE being able to buy gasoline less than a 1/2 mile from my house.

    These things cost money. And the price we are paying for it is CHEAP! Funny how the one's who love to tromp all over "freeloaders" and "entitlements" are usually the ones who complain the most about having to pay to be living in the best place in the world.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    No, mandatory association is not a choice.
    It's not mandatory. I'm guessing at this point in your life you could leave, or move to Alaska or the Montana wilderness and live off the grid. It's inconvient but nobody realisitically is going to come to your hut you built on your own and ask you to rejoin society.

    Of course..if you live as part of a society and benefit from that society it's expected that you'll pay for the upkeep.

    Unless you're trying to go on a witch hunt via mob justice, I don't see what your point is here.
    Where does this come from? I'm arguing that you've received in public services AT LEAST as much as you've paid in taxes so it's not really a valid excuse as to why you can't at this point leave or go incognito.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    But the taxes now, under Obama, are lower than they have been in 30 years.
    If you consider all taxes and fee's, this is an outright lie.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's not mandatory. I'm guessing at this point in your life you could leave, or move to Alaska or the Montana wilderness and live off the grid.
    Can does not imply ought. It's not your right to expect anyone to do anything ever unless you have a prior agreement.

    It's inconvient but nobody realisitically is going to come to your hut you built on your own and ask you to rejoin society.

    Of course..if you live as part of a society and benefit from that society it's expected that you'll pay for the upkeep.
    Convenience is subjective.

    Where does this come from? I'm arguing that you've received in public services AT LEAST as much as you've paid in taxes so it's not really a valid excuse as to why you can't at this point leave or go incognito.
    Yea exactly. You're trying to guilt trip me into affording participation I didn't ask for. Knock it off.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    I think this question needs to be asked based on the arguments made in my previous poll. Some people just didn't see the relevance to why patriotism would be associated with where one puts their money.

    Romney has tax havens in foreign banks for the purpose of avoiding US taxes.

    He has made his money and taken advantage of the prosperity that the US allows him, yet he sets up foreign bank accounts to avoid paying the taxes on the money he earned here.

    So the question is: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Remember, this is someone running for the highest (suppose to be) most respected position in the world.
    People don't pay their taxes because they're patriotic. One has nothing to do with the other. People pay their taxes because they're afraid not to. All this blah-blah-blah about Romney and his taking advantage of perfectly legal ways to save on taxes is just plain hooey. There's nobody ponyin' up one thin dime they don't have to. And those who say they do? I don't believe 'em.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    If you consider all taxes and fee's, this is an outright lie.


    Americans paid the lowest tax rates in 30 years to the federal government in 2009, in part because of tax cuts President Obama sought to combat the Great Recession, congressional budget analysts said Tuesday. <snip>


    During Obama’s first year in office, the average tax rate paid by all households fell to 17.4 percent, down from 19.9 percent in 2007, according to the CBO. The 2009 rate was significantly lower than the previous low of 19.4 percent in 2003 and well below the 30-year average of 21 percent.

    Under Obama, Taxes Hit A 30-Year Low | ThinkProgress

    It's your turn now. Put up or shut up.

    You got some evidence or is it you who is outright lying?
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Romney has tax havens in foreign banks for the purpose of avoiding US taxes.
    • What is your basis for this accusation? Keeping money in foreign banks does NOT exempt you from paying taxes on anything that money might earn. There is a box on the tax return that REQUIRES you to disclose foreign bank accounts. Considering the blithering idiots that we have for politicians and their propensity to create ever more imaginary US dollars, anyone in their right mind would keep some money offshore and in other currencies.
    Republican Senator On Romney: 'It's Really American To Avoid Paying Taxes' | ThinkProgress

    Like the article says, Every candidate for the last 30 years has released their tax returns yet Romney is refusing to do so. I am only speculating here, but I think it is safe to say that he has something to hide.
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