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Thread: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    So what? We are talking about how people do in college. Not high school which is filled with immature teens with all sorts of problems and difficulties which often overwhelm their lives and often fail to produce an accurate picture of their intelligence or abilities.



    Nothing in that offers any proof that those grades are not deserved.



    That may be an indictment of Cornell Engineering and has nothing to do with colleges of education or how students seems to excel.

    As to your Chicago article - many teachers - especially secondary teachers - are specialists of sorts. One can have tremendous intelligence and abilities in certain subjects while being outright bad in others on those tests. A person can be a genius in social studies content while having the inability to do anything beyond the four basic mathematical computations. Standard tests like the ones in that article fail to take that into account and are thus highly suspicious as any true measurement of the intelligence and ability of a teacher in their field.
    You don't get it-the reason why the least intelligent college students get high grades in the teaching departments is that the professors in that field are engaging in rampant grade inflation. Make all the excuses you want-the teaching major is the dumping ground for the dullards and the dimwitted in college

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    LOL

    So Education Majors overwhelmingly do the worst in High School, but then get to college and all become above average? It's a miracle!

    Oh, except apparently upon graduation they momentarily forget it all long enough to also rack up lower scores than any other major on graduate school admissions tests such as the GRE, MCAT, or LSAT.

    Huh. Odd, that.
    OUCH after they get thrashed on the LSAT or GRE they figure its time to get a teaching masters since they aren't getting into law school or say the PhD program in history or biology

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You make the fatal error of assuming that four years of getting good grades in college is worth far less than one three hour test that may or may not measure any real information that they learned.
    getting good grades when the grade inflation is such that 3.8 is an average is worthless Cornell engineering is one of the finest schools in the country. far more demeaning to get into than any public high school teacher's major.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You don't get it-the reason why the least intelligent college students get high grades in the teaching departments is that the professors in that field are engaging in rampant grade inflation. Make all the excuses you want-the teaching major is the dumping ground for the dullards and the dimwitted in college
    So your saying that all the Profs in ivy league schools that had teaching majors are dullards...hmm interesting

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    So your saying that all the Profs in ivy league schools that had teaching majors are dullards...hmm interesting
    we didn't have a teaching major at Yale. people planning on teaching generally were shooting for professorships in real subjects like Physics, math, history and English Those who wanted to teach in high school tended to get masters in real subjects and go to private schools where they wanted expertise in the subject matter, rather than having those NEA required "teaching" masters

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You don't get it-the reason why the least intelligent college students get high grades in the teaching departments is that the professors in that field are engaging in rampant grade inflation. Make all the excuses you want-the teaching major is the dumping ground for the dullards and the dimwitted in college
    We all must have missed the part where you and cp actually document that allegation with verifiable evidence that those education majors DID NOT earn the grades they were given.

    Do you have that to present to us now?

    Look - we get it. This is not our first rodeo.

    1- public school teachers belong to unions.
    2- the right wing hates unions.
    3- unions back Democratic party candidates.
    4- the right wing hates the Democratic Party
    5- it becomes an imperative that you then go on a crusade against every aspect involving educators.

    This is only about your own prejudices.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We all must have missed the part where you and cp actually document that allegation with verifiable evidence that those education majors DID NOT earn the grades they were given.

    Do you have that to present to us now?

    Look - we get it. This is not our first rodeo.

    1- public school teachers belong to unions.
    2- the right wing hates unions.
    3- unions back Democratic party candidates.
    4- the right wing hates the Democratic Party
    5- it becomes an imperative that you then go on a crusade against every aspect involving educators.

    This is only about your own prejudices.
    Cp pretty well spelled it out-Logical people could follow it easily

    teacher majors are high school dullards

    they go into the major where they get much higher average grades than what many elite or far more competitive majors award

    yet when they take standardized tests they are back to being dullards.

    its not about prejudices-its about the fact that there are few groups that have a more inflated view of what they are worth than the teachers' unions and few groups has as high a ratio of what they feel they are worth versus their actual level of talent.

    I am sure that those teachers majors "earned" their grades as long you don't pretend that a 3.8 in your major (where that is average) is the same as 3.8 at say Columbia or Cornell law where 3.3 gets you Order of the Coif.

    its like being a varsity starter on the williams college tennis team vs one at Stanford, UCLA or Georgia

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    is not a horrible idea - though I wouldn't "assign" so much as I would "make multiple paths more available". Our current everyone-needs-to-go-to-college-and-major-in-the-humanities emphasis ill-serves our students and our economy. We would benefit far more if we expanded the extent to which we enable student pursuit of non-academic learning during and post-high school
    This is not unlike some other countries, like Germany, where depending how you do, and the path you take, depends how far the state pays for you to go..
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Americans paid the lowest tax rates in 30 years to the federal government in 2009, in part because of tax cuts President Obama sought to combat the Great Recession, congressional budget analysts said Tuesday. <snip>
    Do you agree then that we should not be discussing the temporary Bush tax cuts? Instead we should call them the current Obama tax rates?

    During Obama’s first year in office, the average tax rate paid by all households fell to 17.4 percent, down from 19.9 percent in 2007, according to the CBO. The 2009 rate was significantly lower than the previous low of 19.4 percent in 2003 and well below the 30-year average of 21 percent.
    Would you please clarify something for me? When you say the average tax rate paid by all households do you include the roughly one half of households who do not pay the federal income tax?

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Would you please clarify something for me? When you say the average tax rate paid by all households do you include the roughly one half of households who do not pay the federal income tax?
    Or do all the households that get money back they never paid in count as a negative impact on that number?
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