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Thread: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    I answered 'no'.

    I work hard for my money. I don't want anything from the government.

    Before you say "what about firefighters?", I want to privatize fire departments.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    What benefits? In the case of Romney I agree completely that he's unpatriotic. I understand the argument that the government wouldn't put the $ to use for crap, but the fact remains he's benefit enormously from living here, living under almost no regulations. If you're treated as a 2nd class citizen, however, then no, I would find ways around paying taxes as he has done. A government that can't ensure equal rights for all will never be collecting revenue from me.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    I'm not really sure why being forced to lower the lifestyle I can provide for my children in order to support a host of things that I vehemently disagree with is something that should inspire particularly proud feelings.

    Paying what taxes you owe is the right thing to do, however, taking efforts to reduce that is hardly unpatriotic. The President is no less American or a Patriot because he takes advantage of the tax code to minimize what he sends the IRS.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    From Turtle

    well that is an admirable attempt at turning a lemon into lemonade but if you actually read the article it states

    (EXACTLY WHAT I CLAIMED) those who go into the teaching major have the lowest scores and grades of all entering college students
    So what? We are talking about how people do in college. Not high school which is filled with immature teens with all sorts of problems and difficulties which often overwhelm their lives and often fail to produce an accurate picture of their intelligence or abilities.

    GRADE INFLATION IS MORE RAMPANT IN THE TEACHING DEPARTMENT

    he notes that the average GPA in education departments is a 3.8/
    Nothing in that offers any proof that those grades are not deserved.

    at Cornell Engineering a 2.0 is an average grade. 3.0 gets you in the Honor society.
    3.5 and you are top of the food chain
    That may be an indictment of Cornell Engineering and has nothing to do with colleges of education or how students seems to excel.

    As to your Chicago article - many teachers - especially secondary teachers - are specialists of sorts. One can have tremendous intelligence and abilities in certain subjects while being outright bad in others on those tests. A person can be a genius in social studies content while having the inability to do anything beyond the four basic mathematical computations. Standard tests like the ones in that article fail to take that into account and are thus highly suspicious as any true measurement of the intelligence and ability of a teacher in their field.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    LOL

    So Education Majors overwhelmingly do the worst in High School, but then get to college and all become above average? It's a miracle!

    Oh, except apparently upon graduation they momentarily forget it all long enough to also rack up lower scores than any other major on graduate school admissions tests such as the GRE, MCAT, or LSAT.

    Huh. Odd, that.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    LOL

    So Education Majors overwhelmingly do the worst in High School, but then get to college and all become above average? It's a miracle!

    Oh, except apparently upon graduation they momentarily forget it all long enough to also rack up lower scores than any other major on graduate school admissions tests such as the GRE, MCAT, or LSAT.


    Huh. Odd, that.
    These scores really mean alot to you on the right. Why not just give these tests and then assign a person a status for life based on how they do in high school?
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    These scores really mean alot to you on the right. Why not just give these tests and then assign a person a status for life based on how they do in high school?
    The GRE, MCAT, and LSAT are taken for entry into graduate school. Education majors not only score the worst in High School, they get worse grades in High School.

    Then they go to college, where they get amazingly high grades, indicating that either A) they all have incredible academic turn-arounds, or that B) education programs are so incredibly undemanding that even mediocre and low-performing college students can do well in them.

    Then they take post-graduate exams, and score the worst on them, demonstrating that no particular academic turn-around has occurred. (A) having been falsified, option (B) remains far and away the most likely hypothesis.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Though this part:

    Why not just give these tests and then assign a person a status for life based on how they do in high school?
    is not a horrible idea - though I wouldn't "assign" so much as I would "make multiple paths more available". Our current everyone-needs-to-go-to-college-and-major-in-the-humanities emphasis ill-serves our students and our economy. We would benefit far more if we expanded the extent to which we enable student pursuit of non-academic learning during and post-high school

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The GRE, MCAT, and LSAT are taken for entry into graduate school. Education majors not only score the worst in High School, they get worse grades in High School.

    Then they go to college, where they get amazingly high grades, indicating that either A) they all have incredible academic turn-arounds, or that B) education programs are so incredibly undemanding that even mediocre and low-performing college students can do well in them.

    Then they take post-graduate exams, and score the worst on them, demonstrating that no particular academic turn-around has occurred. (A) having been falsified, option (B) remains far and away the most likely hypothesis.
    You make the fatal error of assuming that four years of getting good grades in college is worth far less than one three hour test that may or may not measure any real information that they learned.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    What benefits? In the case of Romney I agree completely that he's unpatriotic. I understand the argument that the government wouldn't put the $ to use for crap, but the fact remains he's benefit enormously from living here, living under almost no regulations. If you're treated as a 2nd class citizen, however, then no, I would find ways around paying taxes as he has done. A government that can't ensure equal rights for all will never be collecting revenue from me.
    what oozing nonsense-the man pays millions each year in taxes. and what exactly is he GIVEN by the government that you DON'T get

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