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  • Yes, it is our duty as citizens to pay into the system that we have reaped the benefits from.

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  • No, if you can get away with it, why not.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    I agree.especially if those taxes pay a lavish lifestyle for the....elected and their friends.as is the case.
    Lets get this strraight ....... a lavish lifestyle for elected officials and their friends...... and that from taxes.......

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    That's one thing that has always amazed me. You got all these "God Bless America", flag waving, lapel pin wearing "true patriots" over at FOX (and even here at DP) nonstop whining about the price it costs to live in the best nation on the planet. Wah, wah, wah.

    Living in the USofA is worth it at twice the price. Love it or leave it.
    The problem with that thinking is, "twice the price" leads to a second rate country. Do you want to live under these conditions, Cap?

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox View Post
    The problem with that thinking is, "twice the price" leads to a second rate country. Do you want to live under these conditions, Cap?
    How does paying for made in America lead to us being a second rate country?
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Only two honest people here, of which I am NOT one..
    It has always been "what one can get away with".
    The IRS or IRA is not well liked, but is feared.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Paying your taxes makes you a loser.

    How much of a loser you are depends on how many taxes you pay.

    People who pressure others to pay taxes and take pride in humility are predators who need to be put in their place.
    Is this really your stance, or are you just being facetious ?

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    btw-the party that wins elections when lots of people are under educated is the same party that has the teachers' unions as major organs

    see the problem?
    That is ridiculous. Have any proof to back that up?
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    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Exactly. The fact that the President takes advantage of every credit and loophole he possibly can to pay as little in taxes as he can while passing as much as he can to his children without them paying the estate tax doesn't make him any less American; it just makes him a hypocrite .
    Or pretty much any other politition for that matter.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You apparently have no respect for the American university system which bestows Bachelors and Masters and even Doctorate degrees upon millions of teachers across the land only after they have met and satisfied the rigorous requirements established by those institutions of higher learning.

    That is sad.
    Neither do I have any respect for them. Where I come from respect is EARNED. You want it, earn it. A lot of people seem to think they owed something they are not. They confuse respect with politeness. Nobody is owed either. I dont have to be polite to you and I sure as hell dont have to respect you. Politeness is just good manners. My mama taught me those. There are good reasons for being polite. Respect on the other hand, if you want that get off your butt and go earn it.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How does paying for made in America lead to us being a second rate country?
    It doesn't. Paying our "fair share" in taxes, does.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No. I clearly stated that if you found yourself at a school with low standards it is because you yourself made that choice. You are responsible for that.
    True enough. I knew full well I was going public.

    You will have to understand if I and others are less than eager to accept the second hand anecdotal information you provide about some people you associate with as the be-all and end-all of TRUTH on education and teachers.
    Good point. Let's see what the numbers say.

    Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

    ...Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!

    The latest damning report on the ease of majoring in education comes from research at the University of Missouri, my alma mater. The study, conducted by economist Cory Koedel shows that education majors receive "substantially higher" grades than students in every other department...

    Koedel examined the grades earned by undergraduates during the 2007-2008 school year at three large state universities that include sizable education programs -- University of Missouri, Miami (OH) University and Indiana University. The researcher compared the grades earned by education majors with the grades earned by students in 12 other majors including biology, economics, English, history, philosophy, mathematics, chemistry, psychology and sociology.

    Education majors enjoyed grade point averages that were .5 to .8 grade points higher than students in the other college majors. At the University of Missouri, for instance, the average education major has a 3.80 GPA versus 2.99 GPA (science, math, econ majors), 3.12 GPA (social science majors) and 3.16 GPA (humanities majors)...

    Koedel also suggests that the low academic standards required of education majors can extend to low expectation of teachers after they leave college.

    Low grading standards in education departments may contribute to the culture of low evaluation standards in education more generally. Although the existence of such a link is merely speculative at this point, there is a striking similarity between the favorable grades awarded to prospective teachers during university training and the favorable evaluations that teachers receive in K-12 schools.
    ...
    That grade inflation is rampant on campus and that schools of education are among the biggest offenders is old news. But the extent of the skew may surprise you.

    Mark J. Perry, professor of economics and finance at the University of Michigan-Flint, provides this stunning graphic of the grade distribution at Cornell:



    The graphic above shows median grades for course in three departments at Cornell: Economics, Education and Math. Specifically, it shows the percentage of course in each department with a median grade of A: Economics (13.6%), Education (77.8%) and Math (12.9%). Note also that 100% of Education courses have a median grade of either A (77.8%) or A- (22.2%)...
    ...Students who take education classes at universities receive significantly higher grades than students who take classes in every other academic discipline. The higher grades cannot be explained by observable differences in student quality between education majors and other students, nor can they be explained by the fact that education classes are typically smaller than classes in other academic departments.

    This is despite the fact that education majors have the lowest high school grades and standardized test scores of all college students...
    The National Center for Education Statistics summarized the findings in "Highlights From PISA 2006." (http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2008/2008016.pdf) U.S. American students ranked 33rd 33rd among industrialized countries in math literacy, and in science literacy, they ranked 27th. Reading literacy was not reported for the U.S. because of an error in the test instruction booklets....

    American education will never be improved until we address one of the problems seen as too delicate to discuss. That problem is the overall quality of people teaching our children. Students who have chosen education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major. Students who have graduated with an education degree earn lower scores than any other major on graduate school admissions tests such as the GRE, MCAT, or LSAT....


    Education studies requires the least academic rigor, and feeds into a profession which does not pay for performance, but which does offer fantastic job security. We tend to attract our mediocre (or less) performers into education, and then we don't demand much of them once they get there.

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