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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Fixed that for you.
    You apparently have no respect for the American university system which bestows Bachelors and Masters and even Doctorate degrees upon millions of teachers across the land only after they have met and satisfied the rigorous requirements established by those institutions of higher learning.

    That is sad.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, study after study-several of which I gave to haymarket over a year ago, demonstrate that pub school teachers tend to come from the bottom of the academic barrel in public state universities.
    One cannot help but notice that instead of linking to those so that the other readers can see if such data truly says what you maintain what is says, all you do is make a statement and expect the world to accept your pontifications.

    Why is that?
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One cannot help but notice that instead of linking to those so that the other readers can see if such data truly says what you maintain what is says, all you do is make a statement and expect the world to accept your pontifications.

    Why is that?
    because if you didn't bother to read and learn the links I gave you over a year ago, I doubt you are going to do it now. I don't believe in wasting effort and I also understand history-and I therefore am not cursed to repeat it

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    because if you didn't bother to read and learn the links I gave you over a year ago, I doubt you are going to do it now. I don't believe in wasting effort and I also understand history-and I therefore am not cursed to repeat it
    Because you have utterly FAILED to document what you claim in this discussion. The idea that "I told you a year ago all about it" is simply absurd on its face.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You apparently have no respect for the American university system which bestows Bachelors and Masters and even Doctorate degrees upon millions of teachers across the land only after they have met and satisfied the rigorous requirements established by those institutions of higher learning.

    That is sad.
    You're going to have to sell that line to someone who isn't in the American university system. I'm wrapping up a masters now and it's embarrassing, the lack of intellectual rigor. Daily I have to restrain myself from tearing at some of my idiot classmates, who nonetheless will pass and go on to get their degrees. My harder undergrad classes were more difficult (though admittedly I went to a decent private undergrad school, and am now at a "public"). I have multiple friends as well who have been through their Education Masters in the last 5 years, and they were even more embarrassed. One of them who is currently in his second year is a law school grad. Apparently he bothers to do the little bit of reading assigned, and therefore is ahead of the vast majority of his classmates.

    Education majors typically are the lowest-performing students, and Education programs are the ones that do the most grade-inflation. So long as you can master the art of managing to show up to class you are halfway there. Yeah, the Education field has definitely mistaken credentials for education and competence over the past couple of decades.


    What is sad is that we have allowed mediocrity to become the standard and sub-mediocrity to become acceptable in one of our most critical fields of endeavor. What is sad is that we have lowered academic standards in order to make it easier on today's students; who have been trained not to think but to repeat mush. What is sad is that we have taught a generation of children that they will get a trophy so long as they show up, and that they deserve to have success handed to them, and that they will all be treated special, like snowflakes. What is sad is to watch the failures of the system perpetuate themselves. What is sad is to watch the American education system degrade, captured by a moribound and stultified governing parasite class, determined to do anything, with any amount of other people's money to avoid being subjected to the demands of reality.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You're going to have to sell that line to someone who isn't in the American university system. I'm wrapping up a masters now and it's embarrassing, the lack of intellectual rigor. Daily I have to restrain myself from tearing at some of my idiot classmates, who nonetheless will pass and go on to get their degrees. My harder undergrad classes were more difficult (though admittedly I went to a decent private undergrad school, and am now at a "public"). I have multiple friends as well who have been through their Education Masters in the last 5 years, and they were even more embarrassed. One of them who is currently in his second year is a law school grad. Apparently he bothers to do the little bit of reading assigned, and therefore is ahead of the vast majority of his classmates.

    Education majors typically are the lowest-performing students, and Education programs are the ones that do the most grade-inflation. So long as you can master the art of managing to show up to class you are halfway there. Yeah, the Education field has definitely mistaken credentials for education and competence over the past couple of decades.
    It is unfortunate that you did not chose wisely in where you obtained your education. You have my sympathies.

    Perhaps you need a different circle of friends? Perhaps it is they who are the problem and not the profession they have selected?

    A common mistake that some folks make is to take their very limited individual experience and extrapolate it applying it to all of society. They wallow in the delusion that because they had a particular experience, that all people had that same experience.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is unfortunate that you did not chose wisely in where you obtained your education. You have my sympathies.
    you mean that I went with a public school for my masters degree?]

    Well as it happens I agree. Public school systems generally perform below Private school systems. But as it also happens my choices were rather constrained. so there you go.

    But for education? Nah, plenty of my friends who went into education (which was the main destination for my group) went to the Private School Of Note For The Northern Half Of The State For Education. They report the same thing. Low standards where there are any.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you mean that I went with a public school for my masters degree?


    Nah, plenty of my friends who went into education (which was the main destination for my group) went to the Private School Of Note For The Northern Half Of The State For Education. They report the same thing. Low standards where there are any.
    No. I clearly stated that if you found yourself at a school with low standards it is because you yourself made that choice. You are responsible for that.

    You will have to understand if I and others are less than eager to accept the second hand anecdotal information you provide about some people you associate with as the be-all and end-all of TRUTH on education and teachers.
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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    No, paying every dollar of your taxes isn't "patroitic". Avoiding taxes isn't "patriotic" either.

    The action of paying ones taxes or not paying ones taxes or seeking deductions to ones taxes is not an inherently patriotic endevour.

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    Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, paying every dollar of your taxes isn't "patroitic". Avoiding taxes isn't "patriotic" either.

    The action of paying ones taxes or not paying ones taxes or seeking deductions to ones taxes is not an inherently patriotic endevour.
    I agree.especially if those taxes pay a lavish lifestyle for the....elected and their friends.as is the case.
    Listen to your conscience....and let it sink in.

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