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Is it Patriotic to have money in offshore accounts?

Is it patriotic to have money if offshore accounts?

  • Yes it is perfectly fine.

    Votes: 15 57.7%

  • No it is wrong, and unpatriotic.

    Votes: 11 42.3%
  • Total voters
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I think we should be much, much, much more concerned about what Barak Obama is doing with our money than with what Mitt Romney is doing with his own money.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I think we should be much, much, much more concerned about what Barak Obama is doing with our money than with what Mitt Romney is doing with his own money.
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Perhaps YOU should. But this thread isn't about what Barack Obama is doing with our money. It is about if you think it is patriotic to stash money in foreign accounts.
 
It would be nice to have at least SOME IDEA of what Mitt would do with Our Money...if he is in Obamas position.

It is very easy to pretend he will do better, unless he cannot even explain what his "Better" will be.


As far as avoiding taxes....No, it is pretty damn low, though unpatriotic has become a somewhat worthless term in the day and age....some use it waaaaay too often.
 
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tecoyah said:
As far as avoiding taxes....No, it is pretty damn low, though unpatriotic has become a somewhat worthless term in the day and age....some use it waaaaay too often.
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I'm really not concerned about some rich business owner stashing money in foreign accounts, but when you are running for the presidency of the US, I think it reveals a little about your character.


I only use that term because I personally don't think Mitt really loves this country. I think he would love to Run this country but I just don't see anything he has done that wasn't to somehow benefit himself in one way or another.
 
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This is like asking, "Is it patriotic to colonize other lands to establish American Exceptionalism?"

The answer can go both ways, but multiculturalists and consumerists must say, "Yes" for better or worse.
 
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megaprogman said:
Off shore accounts and patriotism have nothing to do with each other.
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I have to strongly disagree.

Foreign direct investment allows for consumer goods to be produced by foreign cultures to maintain the domestic way of life.

Even in the case of tax havens, you're talking about tourism which Americans love to indulge in not to mention pressuring the American tax system to remain honest.
 
OnWisconsin said:
The question is if you think it is patriotic for anyone running for president to have money in offshore accounts?

Lindsey Graham: 'It's Really American' To Avoid Taxes Like Mitt Romney Does
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No, it's not patriotic to have money in offshore accounts

It's not patroitic to hav emoney in onshore accounts

Where one keeps their money is hardly the methodology in which I determine patroitism.

-edited since I've more closely read Graham's comments and realized that the OP was putting words in his mouth implying Graham suggested it was "patriotic" for Romney to do it-
 
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If mitt was patriotic he would release his birth certificate and prove he is a citizen. He won't though because he is not.
 
99percenter said:
If mitt was patriotic he would release his birth certificate and prove he is a citizen. He won't though because he is not.
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More mind numbed birther nonsense-find another pony, this one trick has rotted past the point of amusement
 
Zyphlin said:
No, it's not patriotic to have money in offshore accounts

It's not patroitic to hav emoney in onshore accounts

Where one keeps their money is hardly the methodology in which I determine patroitism.

Graham's comments are idiotic
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You're a conservative?

Sorry, that doesn't make sense. A conservative should first and foremost appreciate investment in our jurisdiction where people abide by the rule of law.

Let me ask you a similar question, "Is it patriotic to buy products manufactured by child labor overseas?"
 
Hmm...I think he said this:

Every American tries to find the way to get the most deductions they can. I see nothing wrong with playing the game because we set it up to be a game.
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And in your same piece just a tish below that,
I want to end the game...
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I don't see the patriotism card in the piece you linked to.

I only use that term because I personally don't think Mitt really loves this country.
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Oh, good. I didn't just waste my time with someone who wasn't sensible. Can I throw you in with the lot that calls Obama some anti-American Kenyan tyrant that reads Marx instead of the Bible?
 
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Fiddy, c'mon. Use some reading comprehension, will you?

It's like saying there are kids in gym class who screw up in playing baseball because they're forced to play baseball without being taught the rules. He doesn't want kids to be forced to play baseball anymore without being taught.

That's why he says, "Pick a rate and make people pay it." If everyone knows the rules of the game, then nobody can cheat.

Seems patriotic enough. It's easy to be a fan of a game when you understand how it's played. Senator Graham is basically hinting at a flat tax or fair tax.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
I think we should be much, much, much more concerned about what Barak Obama is doing with our money than with what Mitt Romney is doing with his own money.
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How a man prioritizes and manages his own life give us valuable clues as to how he would prioritize and manage the nation.

I want a president who puts America and the American people first. Mittens places his own selfish greed about the nation and its people.

He is not at all a patriot.
 
I think "patriotic", "integrity", and "transparency" are all stupid buzzwords with no real meaning anymore, and that when we utilize those buzzwords to build stupid arguments we further perpetuate our own descent into idiocy.
 
Daktoria said:
You're a conservative?

Sorry, that doesn't make sense. A conservative should first and foremost appreciate investment in our jurisdiction where people abide by the rule of law.

Let me ask you a similar question, "Is it patriotic to buy products manufactured by child labor overseas?"
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Who said I didn't appreciate people investing in american enterprises? Where did I say people shouldn't abide by the rule of law? Also, it seems you're going off the ill gotten assumption that having money invested abroad is somehow inherently against the law.

You realize there can be a difference in believing an action is good or bad and believing an action is patriotic or unpatroitic, yes?

No, it's not patroitic to buy products manufactured by child labor overseas. It's not necessarily patriotic to buy a product manufactured here in America either imho.
 
tessaesque said:
I think "patriotic", "integrity", and "transparency" are all stupid buzzwords with no real meaning anymore, and that when we utilize those buzzwords to build stupid arguments we further perpetuate our own descent into idiocy.
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What do you think patriotism really means?
 
Daktoria said:
What do you think patriotism really means?
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pa·tri·ot·ism   [pey-tree-uh-tiz-uhm or, especially Brit., pa-] Show IPA
noun
devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.
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The word is ambiguous and broad. It is now used as a means of taking cheap shots at candidates for office and therefore holds no true value in political debate.
 
Zyphlin said:
Who said I didn't appreciate people investing in american enterprises? Where did I say people shouldn't abide by the rule of law? Also, it seems you're going off the ill gotten assumption that having money invested abroad is somehow inherently against the law.
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The rule of law depends on jurisdiction. That means the important element is land, not capital.

Modern "conservatives" seem to have forgotten this in their obsession with accumulating capital itself.

You realize there can be a difference in believing an action is good or bad and believing an action is patriotic or unpatroitic, yes?
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Sort of, but this is a complex issue. Are you sure you want to talk about this?

I'm just warning you it could get messy.

No, it's not patroitic to buy products manufactured by child labor overseas.
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OK. Now why is that?

The "why" is very important in understanding the difference between land and capital.

It's not necessarily patriotic to buy a product manufactured here in America either imho.
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This goes back to your distinction between goodness and patriotism. I think you're confusing the two since you said "imho".
 
tessaesque said:
The word is ambiguous and broad. It is now used as a means of taking cheap shots at candidates for office and therefore holds no true value in political debate.
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Are you saying political debate is not ambiguous and broad?

If anything, using buzzwords to take cheap shots show a candidate holds the true value therein.
 
Daktoria said:
Are you saying political debate is not ambiguous and broad?

If anything, using buzzwords to take cheap shots show a candidate holds the true value therein.
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Nah, what I'm saying is that I won't fall into a trap of circular debate using obtuse language and hyperbolic assertions. Go prey on somebody else.
 
tessaesque said:
Nah, what I'm saying is that I won't fall into a trap of circular debate using obtuse language and hyperbolic assertions. Go prey on somebody else.
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I'm not sure why you posted here to begin with then. The thread is about "patriotism" after all.
 
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