View Poll Results: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

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  • Kept out of the US permanently

    3 7.14%
  • Banned from doing business with American companies in the US

    4 9.52%
  • Banned from doing business with American companies abroad.

    2 4.76%
  • Kept out of the US until they pay back taxes.

    3 7.14%
  • Their property in the US confiscated and sold to pay back taxes.

    7 16.67%
  • The US government should go after them to pay taxes regardless of what country they go to.

    6 14.29%
  • Other idea (please specify)

    5 11.90%
  • They should be allowed to freely enter the US as long as they have a US passport.

    7 16.67%
  • No one should be punished for renouncing their citizenship.

    31 73.81%
  • I don't know.

    0 0%
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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    Beavis and Butthead... classic.
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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    treat them the same way Taiwan treats its citizens who becomes US citizens or how Britain treats Brits who become US Citizens
    Or we can be better than that. Just saying.
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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    Poll: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?
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    Kept out of the US permanently
    Banned from doing business with American companies in the US
    Banned from doing business with American companies abroad.
    Kept out of the US until they pay back taxes.
    Their property in the US confiscated and sold to pay back taxes.
    The US government should go after them to pay taxes regardless of what country they go to.
    Other idea (please specify)
    They should be allowed to freely enter the US as long as they have a US passport.
    No one should be punished for renouncing their citizenship.
    I don't know.
    Your poll seems to be asking two entirely separate questions. You said in your original post that you don't care what their reasons for renouncing their citizenship are, yet in your poll options you make it very clear that you're talking specifically about people who do it for tax reasons.

    So to answer both of your questions, one at a time, no one should be punished merely for renouncing their citizenship. For one thing, they didn't do anything wrong. If they don't want to be an American, fine. If a person born in Germany doesn't want to be an American, surely there's nothing wrong with that. So why would there be anything wrong with a person born in America not wanting to be an American? Why should they be punished for an accident of birth?

    As far as people renouncing their citizenship for tax evasion, the answer is that they should be treated just like any other tax fugitive. They should be extradited if possible. If not, then their assets in the US can be seized, and a standing warrant can be issued for their arrest should they ever return to the US. Their citizenship renunciation should have no bearing on this.
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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    We are the land of the FREE. Who cares it is not that big a deal.
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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The only exception to this is that I'd never give them citizenship again if they renounced it once.
    I don't see why not, but they would have to take the normal classes just like any other foreign person.

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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Personally I feel that if someone renounces their American citizenship then they should never be allowed back into the US including it's territories, nor should they be allowed to do business with any American company.I don't care what someone's reasons are for renouncing their citizenship.
    Um, why? They just don't want to be citizens. And a lot of them have a good reason.

    Hell of a "free country" if leaving subjects you to draconian punishments, like being forced to pay taxes to a country you're not even allowed to set foot on, or being treated like a terrorist at the border when all you did was decide you like someplace else better. You can't be serious. That's a type of manipulative confinement designed to force people into being unwilling citizens. That's not free.

    No punishment. They are subject to the same rules as any other non-citizen.

    If anything, I think renouncing ones citizenship should be easier (not just here, but most places). They make you jump through an insane amount of hoops and even then you may be denied. People shouldn't be unwilling citizens.
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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the reason why you feel so differently that the Democrats you insult has to do with the issue of being an American patriot?
    Or, perhaps, using someone's investment portfolio as a measure of their patriotism is really stupid and doesn't prove anything. Perhaps stupid slogans like "buy American" and "betting against America" are idiotic, meaningless trite brought up by politicians in order to appeal to people with a poor understanding of economics. Perhaps Swiss bank accounts aren't evil, and simply a good place for someone who wants to park their money in a place with low taxes, welcoming regulation, an unusually stable currency, and respect for the privacy rights of its clients. Perhaps Romney was "betting against America" no more than someone who buys a Japanese car or Korean electronics. Perhaps in the world of globalized finance a great deal of these Swiss deposits would find their way into loans to American businesses. No, what am I talking about? Of all the things to attack Mitt Romney over, him having a Swiss bank account is the most heinous one.
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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    And it's not just the rich. Any citizen, no matter how much they make abroad, is subject to this. I really don't understand the logic of taxing people on money that is not made on US soil. It's abuse, plain and simple. I'm absolutely floored that anyone would stand for this kind of scam.
    Shhhhh!! Don't say that Arcana. Politicians can't know that most people who are caught in these situations aren't rich tax dodgers, but normal people who make most, if not all of their money overseas. What else would they talk about when they need more revenue?
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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    If anything, I think renouncing ones citizenship should be easier (not just here, but most places). They make you jump through an insane amount of hoops and even then you may be denied. People shouldn't be unwilling citizens.
    It's definitely not easy, that's for sure. The more I look into what I need to do, the more complex this gets.

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    Re: What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

    The ATF Form 4473 question 11j asks: "Have you ever renounced your United States Citizenship".
    Last edited by Jerry; 07-11-12 at 12:52 PM.

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