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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

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    seriously, Europeans BROUGHT multi-culturalism to North America, South America, Australasia, Africa....and now they whine & moan about being "forced" to live with people who are different than them?????


    seriously white folks, if you hate multiculturalism, blaim your ancestors for starting the whole thing in the first place
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I would have to disagree. I believe that some cultures are self-evidently superior to others. For instance, there's the culture of Afganistan under the Taliban, where schoolgirls were burned for daring to learn to read. There's are or have been cultures that were built on conquest and slavery, horrific exploitation of the masses by the rulers, denigration of women into virtual slavery, a general devaluation of life, disdain for education and science and progress, and so on.

    Some cultures are better at promoting the greatest good for the greatest number; some suck at it. Some cultures tolerate and even promote constant petty thievery, quasi-random acts of severe violence, unbelieveably harsh punishments for relatively minor offenses, pandemic corruption, and institutional inequality.

    In brief, some cultures are just plain ****ed up.

    Others plainly and clearly promote productivity, prosperity, peace, honesty, ethics, virtue and benevolence far more so than most.

    Another way of putting it is that some cultures are based on the best-possible solution to the Prisoner's Dilemma, and others are based on far less than optimal solutions.
    The things you describe here are mostly based on religion. The problem is religion not culture, which I see as two separate things. It would be a lot better world if people gave up their emotional dependence on religion. The funny part is those people with that emotional dependence are usually quick to call the beliefs of others emotional.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    I'll disagree. Ever tried debating a Conservative on abortion? It's based almost exclusively on feeling. There is little scientific or philosophic evidence behind their claims. Also, I'd consider Conservatives more emotional when it impacts them as opposed to Liberals who are more emotional when it impacts others.
    Its the same with any global warming debate. The debate is more driven by fears of regulation and by any level of science or facts.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The things you describe here are mostly based on religion. The problem is religion not culture, which I see as two separate things. It would be a lot better world if people gave up their emotional dependence on religion. The funny part is those people with that emotional dependence are usually quick to call the beliefs of others emotional.

    Not remotely. For instance, Imperial Rome was based on conquest, slavery, and the exploitation of non-Roman populations for Rome's benefit. Rome was also rather callous (by modern standards) about life in general, especially the lives of non-romans. This was all about wealth and power, and the involvement of religion, to any significant degree, was merely justification-after-the-fact.

    Arabic tribal culture includes elements of oppression of females, honor slayings of females, as well as violent revenge independent of religious beliefs.

    Friends of mine who have lived in certain places in South America have told me about many negative cultural aspects of certain SA nations... endemic petty theft, rampant bribery and corruption among officialdom, widespread spousal abuse, severe income inequity leading to arrogance from the rich and apathy and unproductiveness from the poor.... none of which is directly attributable to religion.

    In many cases, cultures or governments do what they WANT to do anyway, then abuse/misinterpret religion as a means of excusing/justifiying their actions..

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not remotely. For instance, Imperial Rome was based on conquest, slavery, and the exploitation of non-Roman populations for Rome's benefit. Rome was also rather callous (by modern standards) about life in general, especially the lives of non-romans. This was all about wealth and power, and the involvement of religion, to any significant degree, was merely justification-after-the-fact.

    Arabic tribal culture includes elements of oppression of females, honor slayings of females, as well as violent revenge independent of religious beliefs.

    Friends of mine who have lived in certain places in South America have told me about many negative cultural aspects of certain SA nations... endemic petty theft, rampant bribery and corruption among officialdom, widespread spousal abuse, severe income inequity leading to arrogance from the rich and apathy and unproductiveness from the poor.... none of which is directly attributable to religion.

    In many cases, cultures or governments do what they WANT to do anyway, then abuse/misinterpret religion as a means of excusing/justifiying their actions..
    You missed a big part of the point I was trying to get across. You stated that there was some truth to liberals being more emotional, and yet you are religious, which is the ultimate emotional dependence, not just ignoring any logic or facts, but actively avoiding them.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why do you liberals react so emotionally?
    Because we can.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why do you liberals react so emotionally?
    because we have & experience emotions. We are not mere robots, void of feelings.


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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    This is where we run into some problems. Food is clearly a non-issue, but language is.

    We NEED a common language. We're supposed to be all Americans, with a sense of common national identity. How much identity or sense of unity can you have with someone you cannot even talk with?

    Another problem is that America is based on the Constitution, the rule of law, the rights of the individual, liberty and an opportunity for prosperity for all. If you have cultures taking root here that do not value these things, we are in for some serious conflict.
    1. We already have a common language. The majority of Americans speak English and the majority of immigrants want to learn English. It's the language of success and (dominant) culture here, so people learn it. If you are referring to an official language, I don't want that and I don't think we need that for national identity.

    2. I don't entirely agree with you that American culture is based on liberty and opportunity for all. For most of our history, American culture has been based on liberty and opportunity for some. I think we've been steadily moving towards the ideal of liberity and opportunity for all, but I think it's ironic to fault other cultures for not valuing things that we haven't valued for much of our history and that a lot of Americans still don't value today. I also think it's inaccurate to say that such cultures would create serious conflict since they would actually blend in with certain aspects of American culture depending on who they want to prevent from getting liberty and opportunity.

    3. My perspective on multiculturalism is that all cultures, barring the obviously psychotic ones, should be welcomed and then whether or not they fit in here will be "organically" decided.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You missed a big part of the point I was trying to get across. You stated that there was some truth to liberals being more emotional, and yet you are religious, which is the ultimate emotional dependence, not just ignoring any logic or facts, but actively avoiding them.

    That's a matter of opinion, dear. You call it an emotional dependency based on active avoidance of logic and facts... I call it recognizing and accepting that there is truth beyond the material world.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. We already have a common language. The majority of Americans speak English and the majority of immigrants want to learn English. It's the language of success and (dominant) culture here, so people learn it. If you are referring to an official language, I don't want that and I don't think we need that for national identity.

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    I'll bear that in mind the next 15 times that I run into someone who lives and works here but doesn't speak English.... that will take until probably.... Tuesday.

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